Did anyone see his interview after the game?Was totally p**ed off with the ptb,,,,very frustrated with a lot of things that have been going on for a while in Rugby League....And his team won!!!!!!....

Well if Burrow had been sent off as well he'd have gone off on one even more

He was absolutely spot on. Not just in this game either far too often a ball is thrown away and the ref just guesses and gives anything.

The washbrooke one was awful tonight, saying that JjB did very similar but got penalised.

He's one of 12 people in the game who can actually do anything about it but he doesn't seem to be from the way his team play

There's a lot more than 12! Try all coaches and players!

This has made me laugh on so many levels.

Firstly the fact McDermott is getting stick for saying what the supporters have been for ages,
The fact He's moaning about the ptb-when teams (inc Leeds) are coached to wrestle is a bit rich.
The refs are getting stick when they constantly blow for penalties, then getting stick when they don't blow.

How about coaches and players stick to playing the game as it was supposed to be played instead of getting small gains by bending the rules- then the refs would have a simpler job to do-be able to referee the game well, and everyone would be happy- so over to you McDermott!!!

The slow PTB was introduced by Huddersfield and Wigan many years ago and the game slowed down enabling the RFL to say the game is more competitive now.
We have a similar thing with the "Rhino Ball", proving difficult to grip on the impact tackle or passing under pressure, the RFL don't seem too bothered about it, maybe they are happy to have stop start games.
Add in the referee below par performance and the players time wasting and we have a game with very little intensity and excitement.

It'll be interesting to see how SL interpretations impact on England's performance in the WC. Our players will be used to a much slower and more untidy PTB. We will struggle if an NRL ref decides to speed things up in the WC.

He's right of course, but fails to note the irony that he is in fact, part of the problem.

Anyway, that was a terrible game - and it wasn't Mr Child's fault.

I reckon the two coaches must have had words before the Sky interviews as Radford walked right past him when he finished, no look or handshake. Poor game, I thought the RFL were experimenting with new rules allowing forward passes.

It just seems to me that when a video ref is being used the actual officiating of the game goes to pot.
Game plans tend work around areas the video ref has no control over.

Saying that,no video ref last night and that would have been a different score line.

He is spot on. I hope he includes his team as well though?

He did in his post match press conference on the Leeds site, which only highlights the problem more that a coach can be this fed up with this element of the game but readily accepts his team do it too. All teams do it, some coaches are ok with that, others would probably rather not but it's a necessary evil in today's game, if you don't do these things can you compete?

The standard of Football is in the toilet and every Super League coach (Powell being the exception) should be held responsible.

The average attacking plan for a Super League team these days appears to be:
1. Buy a penalty.
2. Kick to touch, start your set in the opposition 40.
3. Run 3 plays of a forward hitting up from first receiver.
4. Run the block-shape play with the halves and full back going behind a lead runner.
5. Hope that a centre shoots in or a back rower gets sucked in.
6. If so Try, if not, grubber into touch 5 yards in front of you.

There are too many penalties and I think the refs could try to let the game go a bit more but in truth, the players are giving them decisions to make on most sets of six.

He's irate at a referee for not clamping down on tactics he freely admits he coaches his players to perform.

Hmmm.

As a suggestion why do referees keep yelling "Mooooooooooooove" at players lying in the ruck at each tackle? More often than not the tacklers don't begin to peel off one by one until they get the call. Would it not be better if refs didn't use this call and just blew up when they thought players were being held down, as it used to be? Players wouldn't have the security of knowing they could stay put until the call.

It'd also stop what is a bloody irritating call when you hear it over and over again on the ref's mike in televised games.

Slight amendment made to point 6 but I agree the style of play from most sides is boring as poop.

He has a point. The ruck is horrendous at the minute. Its not controlled properly at all. In The NRL you either get to your feet and play the ball once stood up correctly, or get penalised. None of this throwing yourself to the ground and taking a dive thing we seem to keep seeing. Half the time the referee even tell them they were diving forward, or tells them to just get up. Penalise them for it, they will soon stop.

Also on the subject of playing for penalties, Sneyd got a penalty last night when Ellis was in the sin bin, by grabbing a leeds players wrist, putting the leeds players hand under him near the ball, letting go of the ball, then staring helplessly at the referee. The only reason the leeds player had his hand in the ruck was because Sneyd put it there. I'm really not a Leeds fan but that was ridiculous.

Think the interpretation of the rules has become too lax but that's because the players are pushing them so far refs could penalise every PTB. They don;t want to do that or they'll be accused of being whistle happy. It's got out of control. But players and coaches are also to blame.

Time for a change.

But on the flip side Barrie Mac is protesting to Eddie that there are to many penalties and he just wants to watch rugby. What can Childs(Ganson) do??

Did I see a play the ball last night where the player stepped forward and placed the ball on the tacklers head and then tried to heel it back? It may have been JJB.

Which penalties Child called were wrong? The yellow card looked harsh but up until that point he'd let Hull get away with a few high shots and laying on that he'd pinged leeds for the same thing.Both sides boiled over a bit but for me Hull were very near the knuckle all game and I think they thought they could out bully a smallish looking Leeds side. Connor was on a particularly short fuse and to me it looked like he'd let the leeds fans get under his skin even before he was nutted by Eddie Munster. Fonua and Talanoa are the worst for milking penalties football style but it works .So in essence Mc's rant was correct and whichever team plays that particular refs interpretation of rugby league will generally win

There's a similar discussion happening on the Leeds board - below is a mash up of a couple of my posts on that thread that gives my two penneth on the current state of affairs with regards the rules, officiating and teams 'bending the rules'.

I've said it before - the PTB can easily be fixed and doesn't need a rule change, just the actual rules to be applied. It could be fixed quite quickly, simply send out a memo to all teams stating;

- Once a player is tackled (elbows hit the floor) or referee calls held, all defenders must release the attacker and clear the ruck IMMEDIATELY - this does not mean manouvering back to the marker position as part of clearing the ruck, it means get out of the way via the quickest route - failure to release and clear immediately will result in a penalty EVERY TIME
- Attacking players must regain both feet, place the ball on the floor and play it with their foot. This means getting to both feet, not only 1 foot and 1 knee and then lifting your knelt leg/foot over the ball that has remained on the floor - you must regain both feet, lift the ball from the floor and place it back down to be played by the foot. Failure to do so will result in a penalty EVERY TIME

There's an arguement that making the defenders release will lead to PTB being too quick, but the requirement to regain both feet and play the ball properly would slow the PTB back down to negate that. The 'voluntary tackle' rule would also need to be correctly applied to stop attacking teams simply diving to the floor in attack to get a quicker PTB.

And whilst I'm fixing the game, on the same memo, I'd also tinker with the stripping interpretations to get rid of the other current lottery of is it a strip or a knock on. The onus is on the attacker to have full control of the ball, only if there is a clear stripping action would there be a penalty - this would require the attackers to carry the ball in 2 hands, again slowing them down to redress the balance of the defenders having to release and clear once tackled. If you're carrying the ball into contact with just 1 arm, and it comes out because the defenders attack your ball carrying arm, or put pressure on the ball, it's a knock on - the attacker needs to protect the ball. Only if there is a clear raking at the ball should it be a penalty.

This would no doubt lead to a penaltyathon for the first couple of weeks, but the players and coaches would soon fix that and IMO the product would be much better!

Problem solved...

We need to get away from referees 'coaching' teams through a game. Simply apply the rules, and if they're broken, penalise it - every time.

As an example, the offside rule - we now only penalise an offside player if he directly interferes with play - so teams take advantage of this. Defenders on the blindside of a ruck are nearly always a couple of meters offside, so when the hooker looks up, he see's there's no space down the blindside, so goes openside. They're not penalised for being offside as they've not directly impacted play, but they have influenced the attacking teams direction of play. Same with offside kick chase - they might not be offside and within the 10, so there to make a tackle, but their presence stops the kick receiver from running towards their area of the pitch. If they're offside - penalise them - every time.

Sure, there would be a period of time where the refs are blowing the pea out of the whistle and the games will be ruined - but the teams will soon fall into line, or risk being penalised out of the game.

With consistent application of simple rules, the referees will get more decisions right, everyone will know exactly what to expect (if you're offside, you'll be penalised, if you slow down the PTB, you'll be penalised, if you don't regain your feet to play the ball, you'll be penalised) and naturally the referees will get more respect from everyone. You'll drastically remove the ability for coaches/teams to exploit the rules/interpretations and the game will ultimately be a better spectacle.

Also, every game we see players protesting against decisions, shouting at the ref, even swearing at the ref or in their protests. Again a simple fix - protest a decision, penalty/walked a further 10 meters, do it again, 10 mins in the bin. Shout/swear at a ref - OFF...

We used to pride ourselves on our respect towards the referee - we need to get this level of respect back - pronto. But there's more we need to do to make the referees job easier.

Ours is a simple game, with simple rules - that's what makes it such a spectator friendly game. For some reason, over the years we've introduced 'interpretation' into our rules and that has muddied the water. Make the rules black and white, apply them consistently and you'll get more respect from the players - and when you don't get the right level of respect, come down on them like a ton of bricks.

I noticed that which seemed strange as they played together at bradford. I'd like to see a fight between those 2. It would be a proper scrap

Redford said on the radio later that McDermott joked with him that "don't worry if you haven't said enough to get fined because I'm going to".....don't think theirs anything between them and McDermott in his press conference went as far as to say whilst some coaches do coach their players to do these things he doesn't for a minute think Radford does.

Nope he didn't say he coaches it (nor does he think Radford does) that doesn't mean players don't do it. It's hardly complex stuff we're talking about here. Doesn't require top level coaching for a player to try and play a ball on top of another player or many of the other cheap ploys used.

It's like when the dummy half throwing the ball into the defender for a penalty stuff started. Hardly needs coaching for any of the players who watched it to think "I'll try that".

I think the penalty is too big an influence on the game at times when it's a 50/50 call. A technical infringement shouldn't be published in the same way as foul play IMO. One should be a wiping down of the tackle count only.

I'm abit bemused people are on here criticising McDermott for saying something they've been bleating on about for ages. He readily admits his players are guilty of this, that doesn't mean he coaches it, he even says Radford doesn't coach it.

In the heat of battle players go into survival mode and do what they need to in order to win. If they didn't reap rewards they wouldn't do it.

The responsibility comes down to the governing body and the officials to enforce things correctly.