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| Rules really have to be set in stone and unfortunately our Australian friends are the ones that really need to do it the most.
Lots of aussies are complaining about Semi Radradradraarararararararra playing for Oz. Ironically he is eligible to play for Australia under a resident's rule, but not eligible to play in State of Origin. So things really need to be brought into line a lot better.
Add to that, that Addin Fonua-Blake was just selected to play for City. Went to camp before someone realised that he already has played for the Junior kiwis and is therefore ineligible.
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| Not a big fan of residents rule cos you get players (not necessarily our sport) that move somewhere and play their sport there just to play for that country which undermines the whole point of international sport.
Should be made much simpler and much clearer so that rules cant be gotten around. Something like either born in that country or have parent or grandparent from there, nice and simple.
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| Quote ="yorksguy1865"Not a big fan of residents rule cos you get players (not necessarily our sport) that move somewhere and play their sport there just to play for that country which undermines the whole point of international sport.
Should be made much simpler and much clearer so that rules cant be gotten around. Something like either born in that country or have parent or grandparent from there, nice and simple.'"
For mine, I would change the residency rule to one of Citizenship, if you're a citizen then I feel you should be able to represent that country. Also until the second tier nations get stronger I'd like to see players of 1st tier nations still be able to play for the second tier without it being exclusive, ie Milford could still play for Samoa this weekend but it wouldn't affect his chance of origin or Aus in the future. It would also take pressure away from young guys who are forced to choose at an early age
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| Quote ="Baxendale"For mine, I would change the residency rule to one of Citizenship, if you're a citizen then I feel you should be able to represent that country. Also until the second tier nations get stronger I'd like to see players of 1st tier nations still be able to play for the second tier without it being exclusive, ie Milford could still play for Samoa this weekend but it wouldn't affect his chance of origin or Aus in the future. It would also take pressure away from young guys who are forced to choose at an early age'"
I know in football it is something like you cant switch nations after you have played a grade A game for a country or something along those lines so there could be a compromise here for the young players coming through; say after you choose to play 6 times or something for one country you then cant switch. Seen as we only play an average of 4 games a year then it would give them a couple of years to decide, especially if they spaced those games out over more years.
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| Quote ="yorksguy1865"I know in football it is something like you cant switch nations after you have played a grade A game for a country or something along those lines so there could be a compromise here for the young players coming through; say after you choose to play 6 times or something for one country you then cant switch. Seen as we only play an average of 4 games a year then it would give them a couple of years to decide, especially if they spaced those games out over more years.'"
In football, you can change as long as you haven't played a competitive international fixture. Diego Costa played twice for Brazil in friendlies but now represents Spain.
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| It's a stupid rule every decent South sea islander plays for Australia or New Zealand then at the end of there careers go back to there country of origin to play its a joke and at the last football World Cup the boatang brothers one played for Ghana and one for Germany
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| People go on about ill-considered usually jingoistic notions, but usually miss the point. If you are a supporter of any club, say Arsenal, on what basis are they "Arsenal" if 95% of the squad are foreign mercenaries? Why then have one sentiment for district teams, but another for "national" teams?
It is natural for any sportsman to want to play at elite level. If Lionel Messi, or Darren Lockyer, had been born in Andorra, should they be effectively excluded from meaningful international competition due to accident of birth? Or maybe worse, included on dubious grounds that one of 4 grandparents happened to come from a major soccer or rugby league nation?
I'm not giving a concrete answer, but in those questions lies the answer why people invent regulations and bend rules, and why good players become shall we say flexible as to allegiance, as the majority want to see the best playing at top level, and the elite mostly want to do that, in preference to blind loyalty to where they were born.
So residence and nationality tests become increasingly fluid, and qualifications slacker, and we all end up cheering like mad for GB icons such as Mo Farah at the Olympics.
He is maybe my shining example. He is neither British by birth nor descent, but grew up here, seemingly feels himself British in spirit, and what is wrong with that? It'll certainly do for me, anyway.
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| The eligibility Rule should be as simple as this.
You can only play for a country
1. You were born in that country.
2. If you had a parent born in that country.
3. You have lived in that country for at least 10 years.
4. Once yoy have played for a country at senior level you shouldn't be allowed to switch countries.
No grey areas there. Its simple.
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"It's a stupid rule every decent South sea islander plays for Australia or New Zealand then at the end of there careers go back to there country of origin to play its a joke and at the last football World Cup the boatang brothers one played for Ghana and one for Germany'"
You mean Kevin and Jerome, both who were born in Germany to a German mother and Ghanaian father, giving them the chance to represent both nations. There's no joke about that, they both have the right to represent either Germany or Ghana. It's not like Jerome Boateng will decide to play for Ghana once he's too old for the Germany team.
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New Zealanders (who live in NZ and play for the Warriors' reserves) are allowed to play for the NSW Resident's side to play the QLD resident's side, because they play in the NSW comp. Amusingly they would not be allowed to play for NSW in State of Origin. Unless of course they were very good, hadn't played for NZ, and the aussies offered them loads of money...again.
www.nswrl.com.au/news/2016/05/01 ... remie.html
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New Zealanders (who live in NZ and play for the Warriors' reserves) are allowed to play for the NSW Resident's side to play the QLD resident's side, because they play in the NSW comp. Amusingly they would not be allowed to play for NSW in State of Origin. Unless of course they were very good, hadn't played for NZ, and the aussies offered them loads of money...again.
www.nswrl.com.au/news/2016/05/01 ... remie.html
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| Whilst it's irritating that some players are choosing, and being enticed to choose, to play for Australia over smaller nations, in the end we're not going to get the other nations to be consistently competitive without significantly investing in developing the domestic game in those nations. Whether that's through the NRL/SL, Championship & L1 or through native domestic leagues, we have to develop the domestic game in some of the "2nd tier" nations so as they consistently produce quality players for their national team.
Until then, while annoying and not helpful, it's not entirely disastrous.
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| I've said it before on this subject, the eligibility rules and ability to swap and change need looking at - I think the ability to swap and change actually damages the 'buy in' to the international game by both fans and players which means International caps are no longer the prize/reward they once were. I like the Origin eligibility criteria of 'must have lived there before age of 13', plus maybe a defined heritage rule - the issue is the whole tier 1/tier 2 nations, and the huge difference in scale of monetary reward available.
But what I will say is that we're just as bad - people always slate the Aussies on this front, but we're guilty of exactly the same, with players swapping and changing between the home nations, and then us using residency for players like Chase, Withers, Fa'asavalu etc... The difference is, the Aussies just have more (and better unfortunately) residency players to choose from.
Ultimately, the only real fix to this issue as always is a meaningful international calendar, allowing enough time for international teams (whether tier 1 or 2) to spend time in camps, building teams and cultures that players want to buy in to....
But it's very hypocritical to point the finger at the Aussies on this one - we're just as bad.
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| Can I ask exactly what it is that people are looking to achieve by their views on international qualification rules? Because I'd suspect that a lot, maybe a majority, can't actually answer that question in any detail. They superficially think they know what it is they want to achieve, but when they try to explain, it all falls apart.
For example, a residency test. If I fancy playing for a country, I just need to move there are once I have been there long enough they will let me play for the national team. But if I don't get picked, I can still play for the country I was born in but chose to leave.
Or, for some reason I never quite get, I have 4 grandparents and if any one of them came from a handy enough team sorry country, then I can switch to that. I can even make myself available to one country, but if they don't pick me, suddenly declare my undying allegiance to another country. Who will bury their scruples and pick me, as long as I'm good enough.
I don't have anything against it, and basically as long as the rules are clear and the same for all, then my view is crack on, but I don't really see what these sort of "barn door" rules achieve for the nationality in question. I mean, I know what they achieve for the national TEAM in question - they get players that aren't really theirs and who otherwise wouldn't or couldn't play for them - but then that brings me back to my question - what is the POINT of it?
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