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The Rochdale v Toulouse game seems to have been a "niggle" game. What's new ?
1. The theater was set up with pre-game online YouTube banter - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGxJb9 ... mTems9djCA
2. The game day band played the National Anthem and the French equivalent. Nice.
3. A blogger tweeted on the Rochdale twitter account to fans reminding them of the French Nazi connections around rugby with a picture of Hitler and a French General :
Quote In 1939 Toulouse reached the French Cup final, but their success was put on hold when - like other rugby league clubs in France - they were compelled to play Nazi-backed Rugby Union following the ban on rugby league by the Vichy regime in France. Their stadium was also confiscated by the State, like most of the assets of the French Federation of rugby league.
etc etc etc - theseladscanrunfor80mins.blogspot.com.au/'"
The Rochdale Twitter account has hashtag FrenchInvasion - hardly hospitable
How the hell does a senior club allow an association on their blog with this ? This should be reported to the RFL
4. The passion was raised of an " us v them" encounter, perhaps " good v evil"
Then, to back it up ......
5. Allegations of eye gouging and biting by a TO player, from the Rochdale coach. The tapes will prove / disprove. We'll see.
Why did the heat go up, what was the media strategy, and is it sportsmanlike to comment as a coach and lead a club like this? Is this level of communication likely to bring the RL game into disrepute? Is this good for international RL expansion and the brand for Toulouse and Rochdale with it's proud history?
Something went badly off the rails here.
Have a listen to the pre game manipulation / banter : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PTdJAC1rvo if you have 12 mins.
Then listen to the post game banter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UaIJ_v5cwA if you have 8 mins
I get the feeling the coach uses "banter" to niggle his opponents and get the aggression going in his side. What's new in that - seems only normal. Done properly, and professionally it can be a good thing, within the rules and spirit of the game.
But when a coach suggests that all French sides are dirty, the Club permits a post of Hitler to be associated with Toulouse, is the coach / club overstepping the mark of sportsmanship ?
Should Rochdale answer to the RFL for the Nazi comment? etc etc
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The Rochdale v Toulouse game seems to have been a "niggle" game. What's new ?
1. The theater was set up with pre-game online YouTube banter - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGxJb9 ... mTems9djCA
2. The game day band played the National Anthem and the French equivalent. Nice.
3. A blogger tweeted on the Rochdale twitter account to fans reminding them of the French Nazi connections around rugby with a picture of Hitler and a French General :
Quote In 1939 Toulouse reached the French Cup final, but their success was put on hold when - like other rugby league clubs in France - they were compelled to play Nazi-backed Rugby Union following the ban on rugby league by the Vichy regime in France. Their stadium was also confiscated by the State, like most of the assets of the French Federation of rugby league.
etc etc etc - theseladscanrunfor80mins.blogspot.com.au/'"
The Rochdale Twitter account has hashtag FrenchInvasion - hardly hospitable
How the hell does a senior club allow an association on their blog with this ? This should be reported to the RFL
4. The passion was raised of an " us v them" encounter, perhaps " good v evil"
Then, to back it up ......
5. Allegations of eye gouging and biting by a TO player, from the Rochdale coach. The tapes will prove / disprove. We'll see.
Why did the heat go up, what was the media strategy, and is it sportsmanlike to comment as a coach and lead a club like this? Is this level of communication likely to bring the RL game into disrepute? Is this good for international RL expansion and the brand for Toulouse and Rochdale with it's proud history?
Something went badly off the rails here.
Have a listen to the pre game manipulation / banter : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PTdJAC1rvo if you have 12 mins.
Then listen to the post game banter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UaIJ_v5cwA if you have 8 mins
I get the feeling the coach uses "banter" to niggle his opponents and get the aggression going in his side. What's new in that - seems only normal. Done properly, and professionally it can be a good thing, within the rules and spirit of the game.
But when a coach suggests that all French sides are dirty, the Club permits a post of Hitler to be associated with Toulouse, is the coach / club overstepping the mark of sportsmanship ?
Should Rochdale answer to the RFL for the Nazi comment? etc etc
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This proves that the French are nothing but dirty nigglers. It must be in their jeans.
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|  hahaha .... seriously though guys, what do u think. War was made at Rochdale yesterday? |
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| toddled along to watch the match ... yes it was physical but I've seen worse.
some fans were expressive but in such a small crowd, they were more noticeable: I've heard worse at SL games but the noise volume from the rest of the crowd covers it up. One of the louder individuals was getting very angry at the "liner" (sic) not flagging for off-sides and forward pases  so take it as read that he was there for an argument.
What concerned me was the average age of the Rochdale fans ... I'm no spring chicken but several were older than me. |
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It's pretty obvious from the Hornet's coach's pre match comments he is not in favour of expansion despite his opening comments like 'i'm all for expansion, but...' etc etc He's entitled to his opinions but such comments are hardly going to welcome new fans to the game. If the nazi comments are true then the rfl needs to investigate to stamp out these unwelcome elements. Rochdale Hornets is a very proud club with a distinguished historybut they seriously need to weedle out these 'fans' !
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Living in Rochdale for nearly 25 years hasn't stopped me from supporting my home club, Salford, but I still have a soft spot for both local sides. The fact is that both Hornets and the Roughyeds seem to be diminishing in support and presence. I feel that has allowed desperate marketing: some clumsy comments beside the excellent billboard displays. After yesterday's match, I spent some time thinking of why this great sport cannot develop in the Manchester conurbation (and other conurbations as well). Possibly the mentality of thinking displayed in the evidence here is part of that ... it is out-of-date and misses many areas of the communities.
Also, perhaps, they are following the model of speaking espoused by our right honourable MP?
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Sadly the pre match interview highlights an insular attitude that is far too prevalent at all levels of RL.
Complaining that a club that is better run, has more money and more supporters might get promoted instead of "us" is just bizarre.
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The British, or rather English obsession with WW2 is pitiful at times but nowhere in the article does it compare Toulouse with Hitler.
Godwin's Law is well known but that section of the article is clearly having a dig at rugby union and makes clear the historical connection of the Nazis, France and the negative impact both they had on the sport of rugby league in general (though I can not be bothered to check if this is indeed accurate itself).
Unless of course you think the people of Rochdale can't read properly and understand things correctly.
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| Quote :1ynfcpszGodwin's Law is well known but that section of the article is clearly having a dig at rugby union and makes clear the historical connection of the Nazis, France and the negative impact both they had on the sport of rugby league in general '" .
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PS - the reason why the sport is dying in the North is it's association with things sponsors do not want to be identified with in marketing.
Changing the marketing and mentality of people goes hand in hand. Sport is expanding globally, it can be done. There are some great comments in here that recognize the need.
What does the people/market really want - they don't want to be associated with this type of mentality displayed at Rochdale. But Rochdale deserves better - get what i mean ?
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I think this was the ideal oppotunity for the Hornets to promote Rugby League to a new audience, but my first impressions are for reasons unknown to me they appeard to have failed.
More work it appears needs to go into match day marketing, and i wish the Hornets every success in the future is doing this.
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They're going to lose their minds on their free trip to Canada.
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"Rochdale could be a beacon." I cannot see this. I live in inner-city Dale and I cannot see this.
It [uwas[/u possible with the Fiji links but times have changed.
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| Quote ="Huddersfield1895":104stksqI think this was the ideal oppotunity for the Hornets to promote Rugby League to a new audience, but my first impressions are for reasons unknown to me they appeared to have failed.
More work it appears needs to go into match day marketing, and i wish the Hornets every success in the future is doing this.'" and a croissant or two. |
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Great post Snowman, hit the nail firmly on the head.
Here's hoping the Hornets board are aware of the situation. As it stands the existing coach is doing loads more harm than good. I would love to have a reaction from someone at the RFL. I'm sure the 'powers that be' feel like pulling their hair out when they see such anti-RL behaviour ?
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Having toured in France, I can confirm I'd rather play a dozen Widnes Cup games in a week, than risk my life playing 3 tour games against them. Reckless animals. We came back unbeaten, but depleted. It's just how they play.
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| Snowman are you a student? Do you need a 'safe zone' to escape from this awful, vitriolic racist abuse.
But seriously, give your head a wobble. So a coach doesn't agree with the structure and direction of the game - guess what, he's allowed to hold and express those views. A helluva a lot of people agree. So he felt Toulouse played a dirty game? He's allowed to say that too. Perhaps they did - anyone who's played the game knows from time to time a dirty team will turn up and go (literally) for the throat. I've played French teams in a couple of sports including rugby - they're hardly known for being squeaky clean. 
#Frenchinvasion? Oh please. A marketing ploy. Do you think any players let it affect their game? I doubt it very much. And an independent fan blog with the tagline 'A Proudly Biased Rochdale Hornets Fanblog - Not Taking Ourselves Seriously Since 1985'? I found it quite entertaining!
As for the Nazi comment, are you saying we can't mention history for risk of offending? By the way, the picture is Philippe Pétain meeting Hitler in Oct 1940 - kind of relevant in article discussing the Nazi/Vichy attacks on French RL. I assume you're familiar with these historical events? RL has never been shy in educating the uneducated regarding French RL during the Vichy years (and Mike Rylance's book is excellent).
Unlawful?
If you're not trolling I suggest you switch the internet off, find a dark room and lock yourself in where it's safe. When you eventually emerge go and try an nice sterile sport like snooker or bridge.
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| Some posters are like crossword setters; they include a clue to help you understand the puzzle. So,"and try an nice sterile sport like snooker" was the clue that Cronos can be ironic. Brilliant. 
Memories of snooker clubs in the 70's ... wow. |
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| Quote ="Hillbilly_Red"Some posters are like crossword setters; they include a clue to help you understand the puzzle. So,"and try an nice sterile sport like snooker" was the clue that Cronos can be ironic. Brilliant.
Memories of snooker clubs in the 70's ... wow.'"
And today, 40+ years later? 
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Am i the only person who cant see anything wrong with that Rochdale did?
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Well something isn't working. Do you really think this type of behavior brings the crowds in? You can count the numbers by those that didn't attend. Surely that's the signal for change.
Don't judge your views purely by what you think or personal agendas. Ask the people what they think. That's the key to a good product and good marketing.
There's nothing wrong with "needle" and competitive spirit, but this didn't cut it in my opinion. It's one step too far.
International expansion? The spirit of the game? Positive? Being stuck in the past is the reason the sport is dying in the heartlands, and the reason i feel that the RFL is embracing new initiatives.
Would the RFL use Hitler as a marketing tool to bring in the crowds, or the coach's words to inspire international embracement - C'mon - give me a break.
Anything that counteracts the brand negatively needs to be weeded out.
The tone of those responses is so unaligned to the level headed progressive conversation of Rochdale supporters higher up this thread or folks wanting the best for the Club as well as international embracement.
Do you really want to hang on to "dirty french players", embrace "Hitler", -
C'mon guys, is that what you really stand for? Or do you embrace the RFL initiatives to expand the international game, get behind it, bring in families, grow the character of our boys, introduce multi national, multi racial aspects and make it exciting?
What's your choice guys?
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Well if the club remains silent then it looks like it's perfectly acceptable to them.
Sad really..
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I'm reading some of these long-winded posts and really struggling to understand what the specific issue is. Anybody actually able to articulate it, in less than 20 paragraphs?
What.Is.The.Actual.Problem ?
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Forriners coming over here stealing our game. HTH.
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hahaha .... seriously though guys, what do u think. War was made at Rochdale yesterday?
so take it as read that he was there for an argument.
