McGuire in at scrum half for Williams
Cudjoe in for Bateman at Centre
McGillvary in for Burgess on the wing.

Just Graham and Hardaker. Change the rest!

I'd bring Westwood in for one of the 2nd rowers, and Cudjoe into the centres.

I'd change the coach and play with 11 men - it would be better to leave the half-backs off the pitch.

I'd put Gale in for Widdop. Generally I wouldn't advocate changing halfbacks mid test series, but on today's showing it really is necessary. I know Williams was very poor too, but he's a young kid with plenty of room for growth, whereas I'm not sure Widdop's excuse. Beyond that, maybe Cudjoe left centre with Bateman into the pack for Farrell. I'd also really want to drop Mike Cooper but given we have only picked 3 other props in the squad, that isn't really possible

1. Hardaker
2. McGilvary
3. Watkins
4. Cudjoe
5. Hall
6. Widdop
7. Gale
8. Graham
9. Roby
10. Hill
11. Bateman
12. Ferres
13. O'Loughlin

14. Hodgson
15. Burgess
16. Cooper
17. Currie

I don't think Joe Burgess has done anything wrong at all, I just think we need more grunt at the back.
I don't think Bateman has done anything wrong either but he's a second rower not a centre. It might work for Wigan but not at international level.

I think we need Roby on from the start. He gets us moving forward better. Have Hodgson spell him for 15 mins or so.

I think the backrow including O'Loughlin has been poor aside from Ferres who looks the only one who's going to run a line. So have him start alongside Bateman with Currie on the bench.

If you're bringing Leroy and jerry in then, to me, you have to play them together, they have been on fire at in the last 1/3rd of the season

A bit of dabbling in the backs won't change anything if the forwards don't run onto the ball but take it standing still. There are more fundamental issues to address than the personnel.

This.
We need to play with a much faster tempo.
Roby for 80 minutes is a must for me.
We have two great wingers - use them.
We will win next week but a change of coach is inevitable after today's debacle.

To get the ball to the wingers the forwards need to turn up and we need a link. As the half backs are incapable of providing it I'm not sure who will - O'Loughlin I guess?

Give Watkins more ball.
Put Williams on the left and have him feed and feed off Williams as he has done all season.
Put some decent kicks up for Hall and Hardaker to chase.
Have Watkins switch sides to confuse them.
Freedom to offload - I can barely remember any second phases.
Let Graham pass more, he's just being used as a truck 95% of the time.

But as already said most of this relies on the pack playing well and winning the collision, it didn't today. Tbh neither side got on top enough to create much.

I wonder if the NZ fans are saying RTS should be replaced?

Exactly the same issues which were apparent after the first Test.

1) Our halves are dismally failing to provide any attacking threat, and are starving the backs of the ball. Their kicking game is also woeful. The halfback situation has to change. It was always ridiculous that Maguire wasn't in the squad, but Gale is, and he should play in the third Test. I don't rate Smith very highly, but I'd be tempted to switch both Williams and Widdop out for Gale and Smith. Smith has a kicking game, and Gale is willing to try attacking rugby. But something needs to happen here, or it'll be the same story in Wigan.

2) We need two centres. One on each side. How easy must it be for NZ to defend when the know that any rare move down the left is likely to collapse because we've a second-row playing centre. We need to put Cudjoe in there to provide an actual attacking threat - ideally with him receiving some ball from a changed half-back pairing.

I'd like to see Westwood brought back in, if only to put a really aggressive player in there alongside Graham and Burgess. Probably can't afford both him and O'Loughlin from the penalty angle, though.

I fail to see what widdop brings

Bring in Westwood for Farrell

Long term Westwood's international career is over, but this is a test series decider, a one-off, so his aggression and ability to play 80 minutes should get him in the side ahead of either Farrel or Whitehead, who offered nothing in attack. McGilveray 's extra grunt deserves a shot on the wing over Burgess who did nowt wrong but doesn't suit these tight defensive encounters. Pity Shenton is not in the squad, but Cudjoe has to replace Bateman if we're to have any attacking threat in the centres. Not sure about the halves: after two games they are hardly 'bedded in' but a change now could completely destabilize the team structure that worked quite well in Hull.

McGuire isn't even in the squad.

I'd bring in Westwood for Farrell who is just being ran at constantly by the Kiwis, as he'll add some much needed aggression and an offload game in the back row (saying that Whitehead had 53 offloads last season and I don't recall a single one in two games for England in the last two weeks - again must be down to the coach).

Start Roby, maybe even play him all game and bring on Hodgson for stints as a second hooker option.

We do not need wholesale changes. Hall and Burgess have been fine for the paltry space and service they've been given. Watkins Hardaker Bateman similar, they've been provided with no platform to play with by the back row and HBs.

The biggest change should be in he tactics. We haven't had a better opportunity to show how much more exciting our game is compared to Union after the World Cup and how terrible the England Union side were yet England RL have been more boring to watch in the last two weeks (especially yesterday) than any game in that World Cup. Yesterday was a disgrace!
We need to be far more expansive and actually have something different to one or at most two passes and a drive six times every set all game!

Change the game plan completely.

Speed up the tempo considerably.

Stop playing one up football.

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The prestige of an NRL contract, and the love and admiration of Mr Raymond Warren.

The Sydney Roosters bound Wigan star Joseph Burgess has done nothing wrong and does not deserve to be dropped. He has received little ball and no opportunities to run far with it.

The problem is in the halves.

Matthew Smith is a proven incompetent. The successful combination of Daniel McGuire and Robert Burrow needs to be employed immediately.

Luke Gale has been the most consistent, influential English half back in super league this year. A real poor decision from Mac to overlook him for the first two tests. An actual centre should be playing too, not a makeshift.

You mean the same Burrows who has been playing hooker?????

People keep repeating, Bateman's no centre, like it's a mantra (and because facile parallels with Sam Burgess and the RUWC are too tempting?). Well, watching the game back on TV last night, I'd say Bateman can certainly be criticised for some individual errors; it could be argued he partly at fault for Nightingale's try, he didn't manage to keep Widdop's (rather ill-directed, to be fair) diagonal kick in play on the touch-line in the first half, and he lost the ball in contact once or twice. What I didn't see was him being a 'poor centre' by failing to release his winger when he had him outside him space. Because this didn't happen. Bateman had a busy game (surely saw a lot more of the ball than Watkins, who was criminally under-used), but that's hardly his fault. he made decent ground with the ball in hand. Watkins and Burgess should have seen more of the ball anyway, but that's a reflection of how the team were directed. Or weren't.

And I'm one of many who was delighted to see Whitehead in the England side, and yet he's offered nothing. Ferres, on the other hand, had a busy afternoon, and was superb in defence.

You mean the same Burrows who has been playing hooker?????

I'd switch Hall and Burgess over so Burgess will play on the same side as who he's played with all year, stick Hall with his team mate and we know he can play on the right too.