Definitely one of the strongest areas we've had for many years in my opinion but which 2 on current form - not how many trophies they've won in the past, how many tries they've scored in their career etc, CURRENT FORM !

For me i'd have to go for Jerry McGillvary who is ripping it up, and Joe Burgess.

Fairly unproven and definitely not what the Kiwi's would expect, joint top try scorers, top 2 tackle busters, top 2 for clean breaks !!

Who's your choice ?

Hall and either Briscoe or Burgess.

Hall number one by a distance.I would go Burgess but Briscoe and Makinson wouldn't be far away either.

Hudds. Fans talking up Mcgillvary obviously, and he has proved to be a good club winger scoring plenty of tries but I'm not so sure i can see him making the step up so easily against the big 2.Charnley is a case in point, prolific for Wigan but looks average at best when put up against the big boys.Guess we may see in a couple of months, Mac may pick him as i agree his form is very good.

McGillvary and Briscoe

I like the ON CURRENT FORM is nice and bold in the hope that a player from the OP's club will be picked.

Form is only a factor in international selection. Form is temporary, class is permanent. Experience counts for a lot as do other factors such as influence in the dressing room and performances in past internationals.

For me Ryan Hall has to be picked, he may not (by his own very high standards) of had his best season but past international performance guarantees selection.

That leaves the other side. I'd pick Burgess. I think he is class and will kick on to be one of the worlds best. He has a proper rugby brain and has the knack of being in the right place at the right time. I understand the arguments to go for an all Leeds back 3 with the understanding they have. Briscoe would be in my squad.

McGillvary is on top form but IMO not quite in the class of Hall, Burgess and Briscoe.

On current form, Charnley is behind Manfredi at Wigan, never mind England.

Hall & Burgess IMO.

Hall, Briscoe and Burgess in the squad. Hall and Burgess to start.

Briscoe & Burgess.

Burgess and A.N other

Even though his weekly round form has been as fair to middling as ever Hall is a nailed on certainty and rightfully so because he's the ultimate big game player.

The second spot must go to Burgess who's been the best winger in the comp ever since round 5ish (after a shaky start) and looks special.

That will leave a spot for a back up winger and I'd go with McGillvary. He's been quality these past few months and his physical presence will be a weapon. It's that physical presence that would always make me wary of picking Briscoe who's been easily negated against the Aussies and Kiwis in the past.

Other then those 4 you could make cases for Makinson, Manfredi, Charnley, Lineham and even Justin Carney. A strange position to be in after having Gardner and Calderwood on the wings not long back!!

McGillvery has moved up the pecking order (and Charnley well down) but he still doesn't make it over Hall, Briscoe and Burgess.

Hall's not scoring many but he isn't get loads of chances. We use him as an extra forward mostly in our own half and he gets very little ball in the opposition half nowadays. Other wingers wouldn't have scored 20/25 plus tries either if they'd have spent the year playing on Leeds left wing. We're scoring plenty of tries but they aren't 'create the overlap and let the winger squeeze in' tries.

I'd run with Briscoe and Hall, especially if we're having Hardaker at full back. They all know each others games inside out and that could help us on receiving kicks and getting a good roll on going forward.

Burgess has been sensational for 2 years now and with Hall should be England's starting winger.

Having Briscoe, McGilvary, Makinson, Lineham and Charnley in reserve shows we're getting some quality depth in this department.

We have 4 good wingers in Hall, Burgess, Briscoe and McGilvary. Shame we don't have a 2nd decent centre to go with Kallum Watkins.

Reed has been good in a top of the table Broncos side.Sarginson did excellent last years 4 nations but hasn't really kicked on this season but has proved he can cut it at the top.Shenton has had a top year and Percival is not far away now.I wouldn't we were looking too bad at all throughout the threequarters and for once we have genuine competition.

They're all good with the ball but they're not all good defensively.

Got to be Hall and Briscoe or Hall and McGillvary for me wouldn't object to Burgess neither.

Naturally I'd prefer Tommy Makinson because he's a Saint. But I wouldn't have any complaints if some of the other names were selected ahead of him. He isn't the most dangerous winger in the league. But speaking as someone whose nerves have been shredded once too often I think there's something to be said for a player you'd trust to make the right decision with your life.

I should also say that a lot depends on specialization and the tactics (especially kicking) employed by the coach.

I agree a lot depends on the tactics, going against the Southern Hemisphere you're talking about a physical game. Do you want to go for the back 3 who will act like forwards giving relieving sets whilst your forwards get a breather? If so then Hall and Briscoe and McGillivery look more likely.

Let's be honest all options can score tries if given the chances so it's up to what they do other than that. Funnily enough we've got to the point and style in the game now when you actually have to look past how many tries a winger has scored, that's not the be all and end all of their position now and often just tells a picture of how well this club have been at getting him in, not that he's a better finisher than other candidates.

My vote goes for Hall and Briscoe, know how to work well with each other being together at leeds, Briscoe is strong, good in the air from the kick and very aware of his surroundings, very rarely see him being caught out by the sideline. Hall has better vision than most other wingers around in my opinion, always finds the hole in the line, good footwork to compliment it.

Hall plus any of the options mentioned works for me. I think Briscoe probably pips the others, if Mackinson had played the full season I suspect he might have moved ahead of Briscoe in my pecking order based on the way he's been going last couple of seasons.

A lot of it depends on who will be fullback. Hardaker should probably get the nod but If Samwise Tomkins is fullback then Hardaker would be my choice on the other wing.

My centres would be Watkins plus Reed for this series, but I see Watkins and Percival as a long term centre partnership for England.

So what you are saying is that no matter how well a player is playing he shouldn't be picked above another player who's playing an average game every week as he's unproven at international level---- if the coach takes that view we are going to run out of players pretty quick. - or perhaps you mean only if they don't play for Leeds, Wigan or saints......


Fwiw I don't think mcgilvary should play for England as his defence is a weakness- but on this seasons form he's better than most, and certainly no worse than the rest.

Briscoe and McGilvary, if we can't give the latter a go then it's a poor do. Those saying Hall hasn't had much in the way of scoring tries and that's somehow the yardstick...sheesh.
Sorry but Charnley is down the pecking order for me, he was bang average in the World Cup and lucky to retain his place, he doesn't offer as much as McGilvary IMHO

Has anyone even suggested Charnley? Burgess and Manfredi now are infront of him at Wigan.

Hall is my number 1 wing pick because of his all round game. I think he offers a bit more than any of the other names that have been mentioned. He my have scored less than some of the others but I wouldn't make a decision like this based on tries scored alone.

Going by his decision making in Catalan those arguing hall has big game experience perhaps need a rethink. Hall has done nothing this season to suggest he is better at anything than the others. He doesn't have the pace he had, others can finish just as well so what exactly is it people think he has ABOVE the others. Can't just pick him because he has experience if that's the only thing he offers!!!!