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Terence Campese has been named captain of the Hull KR, leading an impressive NRL contingent that includes the likes of Albert Kelly, Maurice Blair, Kenneth Sio, Joshua Mantellato, Michael Weyman and Mitchell Allgood. Added to that contingent is the impressive French backrower Kevin Larroyer.
Campese is a creative stand off, and the perfect complement to the mercurial Albert Kelly. Can Hull KR now put pressure on the likely Big Four of 2015: St Helens, Wigan, Warrington and Catalans?
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Terence Campese has been named captain of the Hull KR, leading an impressive NRL contingent that includes the likes of Albert Kelly, Maurice Blair, Kenneth Sio, Joshua Mantellato, Michael Weyman and Mitchell Allgood. Added to that contingent is the impressive French backrower Kevin Larroyer.
Campese is a creative stand off, and the perfect complement to the mercurial Albert Kelly. Can Hull KR now put pressure on the likely Big Four of 2015: St Helens, Wigan, Warrington and Catalans?
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| They'll certainly challenge the top 4 from the Championship.
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| I'm a KR fan. And in a word. No.
If we can keep our 17 as fit as possible we can absolutely fly under the radar and hit 6th. If injuries start to bite our young players although very good do not have enough top level experience yet. This group of players need a season together to form a nucleus of a team and with some quality added and the youngsters a year older in 2016 that could be the season to kick on.
I do believe we will produce some big upsets this year, however do not have the consistency to perform at top 4 intensity week in week out yet. Rome was not built in a day my friend, but the overall of the squad this year has set some pretty exciting foundations.
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| Quote ="LeedsDave"They'll certainly challenge the top 4 from the Championship.'"
Beat me too it.
Do you honestly believe some of what you write Jean or are you just being deliberately provocative? 8th is a good season for Rovers, 4th is a miracle.
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| Are you for real jean I have watched hull KR for over 50 yrs now and I would not agree with you, what I will say is they are possible the best we have had in super league and if we keep fit maybe we can hit 6th but that is the key keeping fit and hoping Chester our coach learns how to be a first team coach has well
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| No Hull KR won't threaten the top 4. That's not being disrectful to Hull KR it's just not the position they're in.
Hull KR's aim in the short to medium term would be, I would imagine, to be able to stay in that 6th to 10th area whilst building the club off the pitch and becoming less reliant on Neil Hudgell's benevolence.
They've made great strides on the pitch since being promoted, it'll take an equal if not larger effort to make similar strides off the pitch.
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| Aside from the rather standard attention seeking nature of the OP, I'm glad this thread came up because Hull KR are the team I'll be keeping a keen eye on this season. I don't think they'll be the big improvers of Super League in 2015, but I'm fascinated to see how all the various signings come together, particularly Terry Campese, Kieran Dixon, Ryan Bailey and James Donaldson (as he is a former Bull, I hope James can finally kick on).
I could never warm to Rervers before, probably down to the miserable Sandercock, but this season I'll be watching intently.
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| Hull KR have made some good/interesting signings but they will have to hope for a real quick geling of the side to trouble the top end and with so many new faces that is hard to see happening. it may take a while before they get into their stride fully but i think when they do they will be a tough match for the top sides.Top 4 not a chance in my opinion, but they should be right in the mix for the 8.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"
Do you honestly believe some of what you write Jean or are you just being deliberately provocative? 8th is a good season for Rovers, 4th is a miracle.'"
I definitely believe some of what I write. In fact I believe all of what I write.
Quote ="Biff Tannen"Hull KR have made some good/interesting signings but they will have to hope for a real quick geling of the side to trouble the top end and with so many new faces that is hard to see happening. it may take a while before they get into their stride fully but i think when they do they will be a tough match for the top sides.Top 4 not a chance in my opinion, but they should be right in the mix for the 8.'"
Top 8 should be the minimum objective for this team. Injuries are a potential factor for every team. So for Hull KR to exceed that minimum objective, they have to keep their key players (whom I would identify as Campese, Kelly, Sio, goal kicker Mantellato, Weyman, Allgood and Larroyer) fit for most of the season. Then they would also have to count on one or more of the more highly rated teams to suffer injuries to crucial players. That is the formula whereby they could threaten one of the top 4.
I want to add my expression of admiration for Christopher Chester in assembling such a talented group of imports. Catalans may turn out to have bought a single more devastating player in Todd Carney (if he can reach his best form), but the group Chester has assembled is, as a group, the best combination of NRL talents I have seen introduced at one Super League club in one year.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Top 8 should be the minimum objective for this team. Injuries are a potential factor for every team. So for Hull KR to exceed that minimum objective, they have to keep their key players (whom I would identify as Campese, Kelly, Sio, goal kicker Mantellato, Weyman, Allgood and Larroyer) fit for most of the season. Then they would also have to count on one or more of the more highly rated teams to suffer injuries to crucial players. That is the formula whereby they could threaten one of the top 4.
I want to add my expression of admiration for Christopher Chester in assembling such a talented group of imports. Catalans may turn out to have bought a single more devastating player in Todd Carney (if he can reach his best form), but the group Chester has assembled is, as a group, the best combination of talents I have seen introduced at one club in one year.'"
I am a Hull FC fan, so I am always going to be biased to us and a little against Rovers. I think Hull will finish 7th or 8th, but if everything goes our way we might scrape 6th. So basically we are an average team, and yet imo KR's squad is inferior even to ours.
These are the likely first choice 17's for both teams.
1. Dixon v Shaul
2. Mantellato v Lineham
3. Goulding v Sa
4. Blair v Michaels
5. Sio v Talanoa
6. Campese v Pryce
7. Kelly v Sneyd
8. Bailey v Paea
9. Carlile v Houghton
10. Weyman v Green
11. Laroyer v Ellis
12. Horne v Minichiello
13. Burke v Westerman
14. Walker v Feka
15. Allgood v Bowden
16. Green v Watts
17. Donaldson v Thompson
None of KR's back line is better than their Hull counterpart imo. Sio and Blair are roughly on a par with Michaels and Talanoa, but Hulls right edge is far stronger and Hull arguably have 2 full backs as good as or better than Dixon (Shaul and Rankin). Naughton looks a real prospect too.
Rovers halves are better on paper. But you have to take into account the fact neither have played over here. Loads of NRL halves have come over with good reputations and not performed. At least in Sneyd and particularly Pryce we have guys who have done it over here.
Rovers props are pretty good. I think James Green could become a real star, Adam Walker is a good prop as is Mitch Allgood. Bailey and Weyman are ok, nothing more. They just shade it here, but they have nothing at hooker, and Hull's back row is miles ahead.
Compare their side with Salford and even Cas and they don't come out favourably. The other top sides are way ahead right across the park.
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Ask Wire fans
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| To answer the op, the big 4 are not threatened.
Can KR make the top 8, possibly, although both Hull clubs have generally failed to max their potential in recent years.
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| We won't trouble the top 4 or even the top 6, however to say none of our back line is better than Hull's is ridiculously blinkered. Other than full back, from 2-7 we slash all over FC's backs providing they stay fit.
Too many changes at once is the main drawback, plus there are still big questions over the coach, who is yet to convince.
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| Quote ="SirStan"We won't trouble the top 4 or even the top 6, however to say none of our back line is better than Hull's is ridiculously blinkered. Other than full back, from 2-7 we slash all over FC's backs providing they stay fit.
Too many changes at once is the main drawback, plus there are still big questions over the coach, who is yet to convince.'"
I just don't see it. I've already said your halves are better on paper, and you could make the case for Blair and Sio (I'd rather have our boys but I could see why you would disagree). But Sa is better than Goulding and Mantellato isn't in Lineham's league.
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| Jean
So is that KR and Catalan finishing in the top 4?
So who are the other 2 teams finishing the the top 4 in this deluded crazy world you live in?
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| But you might be on to something remember Phil Clark last year predicting Salford would win super league, I don't hear the doubters laughing now ....... O wait hang on ..........
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| Jean do you only look at French and players that used to be from the NRL. I only ever see big up a group of players if they are coming from the NRL. Surely you have noticed some good signings from super league. I am a Leeds fan so I will no include my club (although we haven't made any superleague signings) but what I believe are two top quality good signings being Daryl Clark to Warrington(stand out) and Craig Huby to Huddersfield. Maybe in Scott Taylor to Salford if his head is in the right place. Sneyd if he doesn't bottle the big matches was very good in the not as bigger games IMO. You ignore these and big up basically nearly all NRL signings.
Some are very good Carney(I am certain he will shoot himself in the foot). Ashton Sims big fan of his. Seemed to be the best prop on the pitch when I saw the two matches against the Rabbitohs but openly said it was the best rugby he had played in a season. The rest to me in matches I saw were hardly standout players. Some I like to watch Ben Roberts but only really found decent form second half of last season. Dobson has proven very good in super league but has not cracked the NRL. Although was reserve grade best half. Mark Minichello I like watching but has reached the age where he maybe potentially injury plagued. Not many of the rest seem to stand out to me.
Also how are Catalans guaranteed top four when their away form was diabolical until the play offs?
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| Who are the big4???
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| Quote ="giantsandrabbitohs"Who are the big4???'"
Wigan, Saints, Leeds & Warrington.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/former-canberra-raiders-captain-terry-campese-to-lead-englands-hull-kr-20150109-12lfcx.html
Terence Campese has been named captain of the Hull KR, leading an impressive NRL contingent that includes the likes of Albert Kelly, Maurice Blair, Kenneth Sio, Joshua Mantellato, Michael Weyman and Mitchell Allgood. Added to that contingent is the impressive French backrower Kevin Larroyer.
Campese is a creative stand off, and the perfect complement to the mercurial Albert Kelly. Can Hull KR now put pressure on the likely Big Four of 2015: St Helens, Wigan, Warrington and Catalans?'"
you are the French version of Bernard Manning, you are SO funny !
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| Quote ="sparkles"Jean do you only look at French and players that used to be from the NRL. I only ever see big up a group of players if they are coming from the NRL. Surely you have noticed some good signings from super league. I am a Leeds fan so I will no include my club (although we haven't made any superleague signings) but what I believe are two top quality good signings being Daryl Clark to Warrington(stand out) and Craig Huby to Huddersfield. Maybe in Scott Taylor to Salford if his head is in the right place. Sneyd if he doesn't bottle the big matches was very good in the not as bigger games IMO. You ignore these and big up basically nearly all NRL signings. '"
I am a big fan of the Clark Man. He will be a big element in Warrington's run for silver ware. I have said before that Warrington, with Sims, Hill and Clark has the best starting front row.
Cas without Clark drop out of the Top 8 IMO, leaving a spot for Hull KR.
The rest of the English transfers are not very important.
Quote ="sparkles"Some are very good Carney(I am certain he will shoot himself in the foot). Ashton Sims big fan of his. Seemed to be the best prop on the pitch when I saw the two matches against the Rabbitohs but openly said it was the best rugby he had played in a season. The rest to me in matches I saw were hardly standout players. Some I like to watch Ben Roberts but only really found decent form second half of last season. Dobson has proven very good in super league but has not cracked the NRL. Although was reserve grade best half. Mark Minichello I like watching but has reached the age where he maybe potentially injury plagued. Not many of the rest seem to stand out to me.'"
Don't count on Carney shooting himself in the foot. If his former Cronulla teammate Ben Pomeroy has half a brain he will look after the Todd Man and keep him off the drink.
Quote ="sparkles"Also how are Catalans guaranteed top four when their away form was diabolical until the play offs?'"
I expect that Catalans 2014 finals run with away victories against Leeds and Huddersfield will have boosted their self confidence for away games. Plus a fit and in form Todd Carney will make up the difference of a hostile away crowd.
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| I think the rest of SL are safe as long as the 2 Hull clubs hold on to their respective coaches.
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| Albert Kelly is a liability - he has one good game in ten. Looking forward to how a crocked Campese will cover up Kelly's undoubted failings
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"Beat me too it.
Do you honestly believe some of what you write Jean or are you just being deliberately provocative? 8th is a good season for Rovers, 4th is a miracle.'"
He writes things simply to draw attention to himself. The same reason he writes the players names the way he does; he just wants a reaction. He is either very bored or very lonely. Or both.
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| Quote ="tigertot"I think the rest of SL are safe as long as the 2 Hull clubs hold on to their respective coaches.'"
This.
Also HKR lack the squad depth needed. They'll be in the middle 8 IMO.
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