I'm reminded of how good Voss was, watching these two doing their tired old act. But leave that to one side for now.

But why are they both wearing the signs from the gents' toilet door in their lapels ?

I do miss Vossy

, but the "gents' toilet door" is the logo of Prostate cancer UK.

Thanks for the clarification.

Back to the clowns : Eddie now reflexively describes every player under 25 as "young". As in "young Burgess", "Young sarginson". Which is even more annoying because he refers to anyone over 28 as a "veteran".

Also, that terrible business watching the video refs play with the telly is the worst, most amateur television disaster. They need to pull it before the end of this game !

Watching Ian Smith and Steve Ganson fiddle with that TV is like watching my dad show my gran how to use a smartphone.

Not the "dynamic, forward thinking " image they were probably going for.

Jesus. Stevo just referred to a good 40-20 as "a creamer".

Please, please can we have Voss back ?

8 more seasons of this.

Jeezus wept!

Turn sound off if you don't like it! Think some fans deliberately listen to them to pick out mistakes and commentaries. As great as Voss was in the WC, doing t week in week out if a different ball game.

Typical RL fan over reaction as usual. It's really not THAT bad!

Agree they need to sort vid ref farce out thougj

Ah, I've missed you Rugby League! What's it been... just a few weeks?!

The prospect of 8yrs more of Eddie n Stevo on the other hand (!)
Fellas, we love you - but if you're mates with Andrew Voss, do the honourable thing; phone him up and give him your job

I didn't say everything was bad. I'm a fan of Carney and also Clarke. I don't have the aversion to the statto stuff which some do.

I just think Eddie and stevo are a very long way past their sell-by date. I've thought it for a while, but the vastly better World Cup commentary has shifted it into sharper focus.

I'd be satisfied with the red button option of no commentary, just the crowd noise in the background.

All the tired clichés being trotted out again, you'd think they'd have put some work in during the off season in an attempt to freshen up their commentary.

Still calling all the negatives that in most cases haven't actually happened, eg that was a high tackle or he never played that etc etc

"Anderson will be furious " this after Huddersfield held a 0-8 lead, had defended two sets on their line and kicked a 40/20.

Sky and everything about their presentation and commentary is laughable!

In what way is bringing the video refs into the stadium, standing and fiddling with a touchscreen an improvement over a non-partisan environment in a Sky van where they can sit comfortably and and do it properly? It can only lead to less accurate decision making. And the ref badly announcing their findings to the crowd should last about as long as Stevo introducing the teams and the margin meter.

Good commentary can really add value to a game. It's time to start easing the old fellers to one side. Give stevo an occasional pundit slot, and Eddie can keep boots and all. But new blood please, sky. Protect your investment.

I think sky producers have been watching reruns of gladiator

You can't deny that two ex players standing in front of the same screen talking us through replays we can't see through a dodgy microphone works well though.

'tired and boring', 'cliches', 'pointing out all the negatives'...sounds like your average rlfans poster to me.

My main gripe with them tonight is how much they were playing down the importance of the league and the league leaders before the match, referring to Hudds winning the LLS as a 'consolation prize'. While the Grand Final is more important, surely they should be bigging up the competition they are commentating on for the next 7 months or so and not playing it down!?!?

Really do miss Vossy commentating. Cant wait to watch the NZ warriors home games so I can hear him commentate again . Also looking forward to seeing how Tomkins does in the NRL

Does Eddie think there's ever a kick which isn't "high and hanging"?

'Men in Coats' is a great new innovation

Wont see a clearer sending off this season.

Ill challenge any wigan fan to defend that.

It was never a sending off!

But it probably should've been.

Where I have a problem is not whether it was a sending of or not (which I think it was by the way) but that another team other than Huddersfield could end up benefiting from it. This happens time and again in our game and it a prime example of why the sin bin should be used much more IMO! Disgracefully late challenge.

Worded my post wrong. Certainly should have been off.