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| Rumours coming out of Sthelens that 4 clubs have walked out of the meeting already
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| So potentially no decision then.
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| What came out of Tuesdays meeting
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| I would have thought that should this pass it would be done unanimously. We cant be dragging clubs kicking and screaming in to a new structure. From the noises coming out it seemed this posturing was about the governance issues and not necessarily solely the structure. It seemed it was all a bit of politicking.
Should this rumour be true (and I don’t know if it is) then things take on a different complexion entirely. I have no doubt the 4 walk out clubs can gain support but the same issue plagues them as before. They haven’t put forward a better alternative and explained their reasons behind it.
I don’t support the new structure, but some kind of resolution needs to be found.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I would have thought that should this pass it would be done unanimously. We cant be dragging clubs kicking and screaming in to a new structure. From the noises coming out it seemed this posturing was about the governance issues and not necessarily solely the structure. It seemed it was all a bit of politicking.
Should this rumour be true (and I don’t know if it is) then things take on a different complexion entirely. I have no doubt the 4 walk out clubs can gain support but the same issue plagues them as before. They haven’t put forward a better alternative and explained their reasons behind it.
I don’t support the new structure, but some kind of resolution needs to be found.'"
No Public reason has been stated Smokey but for all we know it could have been put to the RFL
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| If it's true that 4 clubs have walked, then the decision can be made without them.
I'm sure last time Leneghan and his mates took their bat and ball home, it was said that 9 clubs needed to be present for a vote to be valid. By my maths, we've still got 10 in there.
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"Rumours coming out of Sthelens that 4 clubs have walked out of the meeting already'"
Wow. The meeting does not begin until 1.30pm and people have already walked out at 11.15 am! Sneaky devils.
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| Quote ="Homer_J_Simpson"If it's true that 4 clubs have walked, then the decision can be made without them.
I'm sure last time Leneghan and his mates took their bat and ball home, it was said that 9 clubs needed to be present for a vote to be valid. By my maths, we've still got 10 in there.'"
wouldnt all 10 need to vote for it though. I though 10 was the minimum to pass a resolution, not just to be in attendance
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| think it just needs 8 for a valid vote. 7 walked out of original meeting which blocked a vote.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I would have thought that should this pass it would be done unanimously. We cant be dragging clubs kicking and screaming in to a new structure. From the noises coming out it seemed this posturing was about the governance issues and not necessarily solely the structure. It seemed it was all a bit of politicking.
Should this rumour be true (and I don’t know if it is) then things take on a different complexion entirely. I have no doubt the 4 walk out clubs can gain support but the same issue plagues them as before. They haven’t put forward a better alternative and explained their reasons behind it.
I don’t support the new structure, but some kind of resolution needs to be found.'"
Agree, but do they need to put forward an alternative? Why not just do a simple format of 12, teams, play each other twice home and away and have one up one down. This seems to work well for all other sports in this country and worked pretty damn well for us.
Licensing is obviously a failed "innovation", but that doesn't mean we need more "innovation" lets get back to basics. The "split" idea I hate and fear it could harm the sport much more than the stobart deal. It is extremely radical and the RFL should have a clear plan if how it would work. Clearly they do not have this.
The main reason I hate the idea is because the same teams will finish in the same positions year on year. It doesn't appeal to me as a fan. If we split I wouldn't get a ST for the first time in years. Not as a form of protest, but because i dontknow what I'm buying as a customer/fan. If we played in the championship our ST prices would come down significantly. But with the split I could be charged SL prices but be playing championship sides half the season. Also as a fan it would not interest me what so ever trying to win the second tier. It's basically a comp between the relegated 4 teams as the championship clubs will be on a fraction of their salary cap. They have no chance of promotion. I would much rather have relegation battle that would keep me on the edge of my seat knowing my team could be relegated. Even if it meant heartbreak. that js what sport is about! Once again the fans view is not taken into consideration.
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"Rumours coming out of Sthelens that 4 clubs have walked out of the meeting already'"
I didn't realise pigeons could fly that fast.
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"Rumours coming out of Sthelens that 4 clubs have walked out of the meeting already'"
They have now returned after lunch and a pint in the nearby Wetherspoons
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"Agree, but do they need to put forward an alternative? Why not just do a simple format of 12, teams, play each other twice home and away and have one up one down. This seems to work well for all other sports in this country and worked pretty damn well for us.
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Think problem with that idea is there wouldn't be enough games in season and it would hit clubs financially. at moment in SL theres a guaranteed 13 home games before you include any challenge cup or playoff gates. With 12 team home and away idea you lose two guaranteed home gates and get 11 guaranteed home games. Under Split proposal clubs get guaranteed 14 home gates albeit 3 of those could be against SL2 sides rather than SL1 sides.
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| Maybe they walked out because they did not fancy the breakfast, but the lunch menu was much better.
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| 10 clubs to have a vote. 8 votes required to pass any vote
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| Quote ="mat"Think problem with that idea is there wouldn't be enough games in season and it would hit clubs financially. at moment in SL theres a guaranteed 13 home games before you include any challenge cup or playoff gates. With 12 team home and away idea you lose two guaranteed home gates and get 11 guaranteed home games. Under Split proposal clubs get guaranteed 14 home gates albeit 3 of those could be against SL2 sides rather than SL1 sides.'"
Personally, those clubs need to realise that opportunities to make money don't just exist on 13 weekends in the summer. The game has bigger opportunities to exploit.
The World Cup showed me just how much I enjoyed elite international rugby. The England v NZ semi final, infront of £60k at Wembley was an amazing event. I want to pay good money for more of that.
Unfortunately, I'm not allowed. Because some clubs insist on making people watch more of Wakefield v London or Salford v Castleford instead, arguably at the expense of a proper, quality rep calendar.
It's completely backwards.
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"Personally, those clubs need to realise that opportunities to make money don't just exist on 13 weekends in the summer. The game has bigger opportunities to exploit.
The World Cup showed me just how much I enjoyed elite international rugby. The England v NZ semi final, infront of £60k at Wembley was an amazing event. I want to pay good money for more of that.
Unfortunately, I'm not allowed. Because some clubs insist on making people watch more of Wakefield v London or Salford v Castleford instead, arguably at the expense of a proper, quality rep calendar.
It's completely backwards.'"
Although I understand what you are saying, we only have 3 international teams that significant numbers of supporters would pay to go and see.
What sort of international programme do you want ?
They could of course extend the WCC to incorporate the top 2,3 or 4 clubs from England and Aus and people would pay to see this, but, we would need the Aussies on board and this would widen the gap still further between the top 4 and the rest.
Unless the top 10 in SL want to play each other 3 times a season (plus cup games & play offs) we can only tinker with the format.
Just going back to "The Big Hit", the first game was utterly superb but, equally, the second game was awful and was played in front of an empty stadium.
The only solution long term is to help the French develop into a competitive RL nation.
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"Personally, those clubs need to realise that opportunities to make money don't just exist on 13 weekends in the summer. The game has bigger opportunities to exploit.
The World Cup showed me just how much I enjoyed elite international rugby. The England v NZ semi final, infront of £60k at Wembley was an amazing event. I want to pay good money for more of that.
Unfortunately, I'm not allowed. Because some clubs insist on making people watch more of Wakefield v London or Salford v Castleford instead, arguably at the expense of a proper, quality rep calendar.
It's completely backwards.'"
So if SL alone shortens its regular season, the international game will be saved? Cool, lets all sign up.
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"Personally, those clubs need to realise that opportunities to make money don't just exist on 13 weekends in the summer. The game has bigger opportunities to exploit.
The World Cup showed me just how much I enjoyed elite international rugby. The England v NZ semi final, infront of £60k at Wembley was an amazing event. I want to pay good money for more of that.
Unfortunately, I'm not allowed. Because some clubs insist on making people watch more of Wakefield v London or Salford v Castleford instead, arguably at the expense of a proper, quality rep calendar.
It's completely backwards.'"
Agreed. I think a regular international calendar would be hugely beneficial to the game. A 12 team SL gives us an opportunity to work towards that. The window of opportunity to benefit from the WC isn't infinite, and we should make changes now to benefit hte international game. It also means that Sky money is divided amonst fewer teams at the top, so this could cover the loss of income from playing less games.
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"Personally, those clubs need to realise that opportunities to make money don't just exist on 13 weekends in the summer. The game has bigger opportunities to exploit.
The World Cup showed me just how much I enjoyed elite international rugby. The England v NZ semi final, infront of £60k at Wembley was an amazing event. I want to pay good money for more of that.
Unfortunately, I'm not allowed. Because some clubs insist on making people watch more of Wakefield v London or Salford v Castleford instead, arguably at the expense of a proper, quality rep calendar.
It's completely backwards.'"
Doesn't the England V Exiles concept satisfy your craving for elite 'international' rugby league?
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| Quote ="SirStan"So if SL alone shortens its regular season, the international game will be saved? Cool, lets all sign up.'"
It's one part of a big picture, but it's a big part.
At the moment we have a busy schedule, elite players playing a lot of games and clubs reluctant to release players (or expecting them to "back up" on international weeks).
By reducing the number domestic fixtures there is room to introduce more representative fixtures that actually capture the imagination.
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| A lot of the RLWC fixtures weren't that great, but many were gripping. Quite like SL really.
Maybe you're bored of the domestic game cos you support the Rhinos. A Rovers season is always a rollercoaster ride of results and emotions.
Considering this thread seems to have been completely derailed, is there any actual news from the meeting yet, and which site will carry the official announcement first?
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| Quote ="Cripesginger"Wow. The meeting does not begin until 1.30pm and people have already walked out at 11.15 am! Sneaky devils.'"
That fact would not be enough to stop the frenzied brain farthing that takes place on this site...
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| Quote ="Gallanteer"Maybe you're bored of the domestic game cos you support the Rhinos. A Rovers season is always a rollercoaster ride of results and emotions.'"
I'll argue with anyone that, when it is played at it's best, this game is the best in the world. As well as the England v NZ semi, the Leeds v Wigan match at the Magic Weekend (amongst others, obviously) really showcased the sport at its best.
What I, and I suspect a lot of people are bored of, is the worryingly high number of blowouts that come from teams not being able to compete at a sufficiently high level, either due to bad management, player fatigue or a talent pool that is spread too thinly.
Anyway, back to the meeting....
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"I'll argue with anyone that, when it is played at it's best, this game is the best in the world. As well as the England v NZ semi, the Leeds v Wigan match at the Magic Weekend (amongst others, obviously) really showcased the sport at its best.
What I, and I suspect a lot of people are bored of, is the worryingly high number of blowouts that come from teams not being able to compete at a sufficiently high level, either due to bad management, player fatigue or a talent pool that is spread too thinly.
Anyway, back to the meeting....'"
Cant help but feel that a long break mid season would stop a lot of the fatigue and would keep the playing standards high. shorten the off season and allow a month break mid season. Cant help but feel this will increase the product and decrease players picking up injuries.
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