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| ..reports on their board that it has been announced at the Season Ticket Holders forum earlier tonight that players have been told to find new clubs, the business is back in debt and the future is looking less than rosy!
Get them collection buckets ready guys and gals.....the RFL didn't buy the lease on Odsal just for Belinda Carlisle and Monster Trucks....
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| Cue ferocious aardvark …
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"Cue ferocious aardvark …'"
why? Is he a big Belinda fan
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| Report from the Forum
Quote ="bullinenemyland"Right... this is what I can remember (and there was a lot so I might have forgotten some of it)
RHP started off by giving an outline of what has been happening last 6weeks and where we are now...
- We are not going into administration
- The new board have found a lot of financial issues which if no action were taken would lead to administration
- Last owners borrowed significantly against the club and many of these have only come to light since Ryan Whitcut left club.
- The club has some significant holes in the budget (I genuinely didn't hear this figure due to the mic going and the gasps but I believe it was a massive amount.
- The budgets set for 2014 are not realistic. Departments within club were given unrealistic expenditure which did not match the info given to RFL.
- Clear that previous owners did not know how to run the club in best way. They eventually realised this and tried to get the right people in to run it but it was too late in season and GM did things behind OK and clubs back
- Staff will be/have been cut from every department including the football department.
- Players were told today of the findings. All players have been told that if they don't wish to stay at the club they are free to leave. The owners say that they understand that many have been through this before and understand that it is not a case of being disloyal.
- Any players who chose to leave will be replaced, although this may not be like for like (i.e. position)
- 2014 is about survival... that is objective number 1.
- The owners are treating the club as a business and will not spend any more than what is coming in via income.
- The constant rumours have unsettled sponsors and players so its even more difficult to attract them.
- RHP refered to a game behind the game in the fact that agents, clubs and fans are spreading rumours and that mixed with lies from previous administration mean that the new owners have to be as transparent as possible without risking the business. Stuart Duffy explained that he put a rumour out years ago about Danny McGuire joining Bulls and other clubs are now doing the same to rock the boat... RHP "part of the game and we all know it"
- The RFL have been very helpful (contrary to the previous owners comments). This shows in the fixture lists.
- The RFL, club sponsors and now the fans are fully aware and have been supportive
- Omar Khan invested some of his own money but the rest was via loans... stated Omar Khan will not get a penny back!!!
- John Bateman sold without RHP, other directors or coaching staffs knowledge... authorised by Ryan Whitcut!!!
- Coaching staff told that John Bateman would only go to Wigan and only when transfer fee offered did it get accepted.
- Heath L'Estrange left for the good of his family (wife wanted to stay in Oz). One of biggest earners so tough decision for him to make.
- Both departures were not hidden until after ST deadline... RHP swore down that this was the honest truth and that he didnt even know about JB until 5.30pm on day of transfer.
- OK left Bulls in worse state than bought it.
- Bars have been tendered out to another company (run Man Utd bars did I hear one person say?)
- Franny said players response today was fantastic and whilst some may choose to go the senior players felt positive about the actions of the new owners. He said the spirit was still there and the players are more frustrated that what they are trying to do on the field has been risked off of it.
- New owners said that the reason that ST holders were only invited tonight was that they were a stakeholder in the club having invested and they felt that along with sponsors deserved to know that they were doing everything in their power to turn club around.
I'm sure there was more but I can't remember it right now....'"
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| SL your avin a laugh.
I WANT MY NRL/SOO TICKETS AND I WANT THEM NOW
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| I'm waiting to hear what Jean Capdouze thinks about this.
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| Quote ="gutterfax":2en2npd7..reports on their board that it has been announced at the Season Ticket Holders forum earlier tonight that players have been told to find new clubs, the business is back in debt and the future is looking less than rosy!
Get them collection buckets ready guys and gals.....the RFL didn't buy the lease on Odsal just for Belinda Carlisle and Monster Trucks....
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| Wow. The club is worse off now than when Ok took over? I guess Omar Khant.
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| Quote ="Mable_Syrup"Wow. The club is worse off now than when Ok took over? I guess Omar Khant.'"
Too many h's
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| Quote ="gutterfax"..reports on their board that it has been announced at the Season Ticket Holders forum earlier tonight that players have been told to find new clubs'"
Wrong.
They were told that if, in the light of what they were told earlier today, any of them felt they did not want to stay with the club, the club would fully understand and would not stand in their way.
The club has also stated that Cummins can recruit a replacement for any/every such player who might - for perfectly understandable personal reasons - seek to avail themselves of that undertaking. One out, one in.
A slightly different message than those who get a high maxing out on schadenfreude might seek to convey.
Incidentally, you were correct in your opinion of Whitcu*t. But you were only able to form your opinion from very limited public-record (albeit quite damning) information. Some of us who had ftf dealings with him - and with OK (very different away from the public eye) - were much better qualified to form such a view. But, in the main, we kept our views to ourselves to avoid risking damaging the club. Quite the oposite of what some others clearly intended with their incessant obsessed broken records.
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| Not good. Between this and the London situation all my World Cup optimism is being washed away. Hope both clubs sort things out. Whilst club vs club rivalry will start stepping up again over the next few weeks and months, I personally just want the sport to go from strength to strength now and take no pleasure in situations like this.
Was most of this known already or news to Bradford fans?
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| What I dont understand is the hostility towards OK. Yes there was ineptitude but did he not insert 900k into the Company to keep them alive last season. Can someone put me right on this?
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| Quote ="WidnesGriff"Was most of this known already or news to Bradford fans?'"
News to most of them.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Wrong.
They were told that if, in the light of what they were told earlier today, any of them felt they did not want to stay with the club, the club would fully understand and would not stand in their way.
The club has also stated that Cummins can recruit a replacement for any/every such player who might - for perfectly understandable personal reasons - seek to avail themselves of that undertaking. One out, one in.
A slightly different message than those who get a high maxing out on schadenfreude might seek to convey.'"
You say tomayto, I say tomahto.....split as many hairs as you like...things ain't rosy at Bradford for essentially the 4th time in 20 months......wages to pay soon and nothing in the kitty...let's see what unfolds over the next few months before the SKY money drifts in.....
Quote ="Adeybull"Incidentally, you were correct in your opinion of Whitcu*t. But you were only able to form your opinion from very limited public-record (albeit quite damning) information. Some of us who had ftf dealings with him - and with OK (very different away from the public eye) - were much better qualified to form such a view. But, in the main, we kept our views to ourselves to avoid risking damaging the club. Quite the oposite of what some others clearly intended with their incessant obsessed broken records.'"
I was right about Whitcut...regardless of the rest of your twaddle, I was right.
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| Yeah, well done! Wipe your screen down and pop off to bed. There's a good lad!
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| Quote ="Early Bath"What I dont understand is the hostility towards OK. Yes there was ineptitude but did he not insert 900k into the Company to keep them alive last season. Can someone put me right on this?'"
What he said, compared with what he actually did, may be the subject of considerable approximation.
Bear in mind he had people believe what he DID put in was capital (at least, he never disabused anyone of that idea) when it was actually mainly loans - debt.
Debt, btw, that the current board stated they have no intention of repaying in view of what they have discovered. They must feel they are on pretty strong legal grounds to say that.
Regarding OK, I have been involved in a number of meetings with him (and others). In all of those, his attitude was very much "give me your money". He had his finger constantly on the "transmit" button, and I don't think ever found the "receive" button. Although maybe I lie - in the last meeting I was in with him, I told him pretty straight what his gimme gimme expecting people to do his bidding for nothing attitude would lead to. Think it shocked him a bit. But when you go round telling people who have given the club significant sums of money or time (or are prepared to so do) that what they have given or can give is no use to you - it needs to be much more - you lose people's goodwill very quickly.
He lost mine after a few of those.
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| Is it just me who is worried about Gutterfax? He seems unhealthily obsessed with some subjects, such as Bradford's finances? And is in constant unremitting denial of any facts or information that does not align with his obsessions? As well as being desperate to have people see that he was right, regardless of whether he was or not and regardless of the consequences.
If he was on my team, I'd be urging him to try and see himself as others do, since IMO he risks coming across as someone who maybe is not wired up right.
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| From what I remember gutterfax was like a prayerwheel in a gale. Put him on ignore. I did, and don't feel I'm missing out.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Is it just me who is worried about Gutterfax? He seems unhealthily obsessed with some subjects, such as Bradford's finances? And is in constant unremitting denial of any facts or information that does not align with his obsessions? As well as being desperate to have people see that he was right, regardless of whether he was or not and regardless of the consequences.
If he was on my team, I'd be urging him to try and see himself as others do, since IMO he risks coming across as someone who maybe is not wired up right.'"
I worry about myself too........but I freely accept when I am wrong with no "buts" .........unlike your rabid Bradford fans who hailed whitcut as the messiah and would have had me crucified for questioning the way the club was being financed. As for your finances.......you take from the sl pool and therefore your shenanigans are fair game..........the RFL propped you up financially.....don't get y when fans of other clubs ask WHY?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"From what I remember gutterfax was like a prayerwheel in a gale. Put him on ignore. I did, and don't feel I'm missing out.'"
ah...put him on ignore!
Is that like stick your head in the sand and pretend it's all OK?
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| out of interest could a community owned club be a reality in SL? ie fans paid a sum to be joint owners, have a vote on board members etc. If you could get 5000 fans to agree to put in 50-100quid a year that would go a long way to covering the shortfall many clubs currently face. The risk is spread more widely and as long as the club keeps its community ownership engaged then it shouldn;t face thse problems of owners walking away.
seems to work on Greenbay with the packers?
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| Well, if they don't go into administration, things might not be as bad as some may like to imply.
A sporting club having financial problems isn't unheard of, even outside rugby league. It turns out their white knight in Omar Khan wasn't all he was cracked up to be. Hopefully the new team will get things back on track.
I genuinely miss a strong Bradford in Superleague. I hope one day they get Bullmainia back on track.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"I worry about myself too........but I freely accept when I am wrong with no "buts" .........unlike your rabid Bradford fans who hailed whitcut as the messiah and would have had me crucified for questioning the way the club was being financed. As for your finances.......you take from the sl pool and therefore your shenanigans are fair game..........the RFL propped you up financially.....don't get y when fans of other clubs ask WHY?'"
Ok, how did the RFL prop the club up financially? As far as I can see all the RFL did was take the lease to the stadium which was more of a preventing the club losing it's home rather than as some big cash injection.
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"As far as I can see all the RFL did was take the lease to the stadium which was more of a preventing the club losing it's home rather than as some big cash injection.'"
Do you really believe that transaction wasn't principally about getting cash into the Bulls?
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