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Referees do not cost any team a game.
When anyones team's players do not make any errors (forwards passes, knock ons, missed tackles conceded penalties) only then will you have a point.
I really hope RL is not slipping the way of football in blaming the officials rather than look at the deficiencies of the players and the coaches. Its not relevant or fair to focus on the officials decision, when the players are guilty of multiple errors during games.
Whilst your at it, why not train to become a referee
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Referees do not cost any team a game.
When anyones team's players do not make any errors (forwards passes, knock ons, missed tackles conceded penalties) only then will you have a point.
I really hope RL is not slipping the way of football in blaming the officials rather than look at the deficiencies of the players and the coaches. Its not relevant or fair to focus on the officials decision, when the players are guilty of multiple errors during games.
Whilst your at it, why not train to become a referee
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| Explain how you'd do it.
I fully believe referees make their decisions honestly. Do they make mistakes? Yes. Do coaches, players, commentators etc? Yes.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"Explain how you'd do it.
I fully believe referees make their decisions honestly. Do they make mistakes? Yes. Do coaches, players, commentators etc? Yes.'"
Did you read the petition? There were plenty of suggestions in there.
This is what was there:
Some example areas that can be resolved:
* Technology used at all games - something that was trialed and used and then disappeared.
* Forward passes to be looked at on the video screen - technology is advanced enough to be able to have moveable lines on a screen to check where a ball was passed and caught.
* Two referees - a system tried and tested in the NRL
* Changes to video ref system - asking the video ref to prove the decision wrong, rather than to make it. Having multiple video refs/consultants
* More responsibility on linesmen
* Using the sin bin correctly, and not putting players on report as a cop out
Can you honestly disagree with any of those?
If Rugby Union can look at a screen for a forward pass (without any added technology I may add) then why can't we?
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Referees do not cost any team a game.
When anyones team's players do not make any errors (forwards passes, knock ons, missed tackles conceded penalties) only then will you have a point.
I really hope RL is not slipping the way of football in blaming the officials rather than look at the deficiencies of the players and the coaches. Its not relevant or fair to focus on the officials decision, when the players are guilty of multiple errors during games.
Whilst your at it, why not train to become a referee
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I know not aimed at me but I did actually try and become one, I e-mailed many people at the RFL trying to find out more info, I also e-mailed the local Refs organisation. The only response I got was from the local body saying they were not looking for new refs at that moment in time. RFL replied with nothing. Maybe I was not what they were looking for at the time, 23, fit and healthy and enthusiasm for the game
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| Quote ="MOT"I know not aimed at me but I did actually try and become one, I e-mailed many people at the RFL trying to find out more info, I also e-mailed the local Refs organisation. The only response I got was from the local body saying they were not looking for new refs at that moment in time. RFL replied with nothing. Maybe I was not what they were looking for at the time, 23, fit and healthy and enthusiasm for the game'"
I know it may not be of any use to you now (as you've probably sacked the idea off) but the @RFLREFEREES has just tweeted [url=http://therfl.co.uk/news/article/28612/opportunity-to-become-a-refereethis[/url
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| Quote ="Sam Buca II"I know it may not be of any use to you now (as you've probably sacked the idea off) but the @RFLREFEREES has just tweeted [url=http://therfl.co.uk/news/article/28612/opportunity-to-become-a-refereethis[/url'"
Thanks for that but to be honest I have gone into different areas in RL to help out. Maybe I just tried at the wrong time or just unlucky with who was receiving the e-mails. Or maybe it was me thinking they would be biting your hand off for new people to join.
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Barring a few obvious errors, the overall standard of officiating isn't too bad. Certainly no worse than other sports. Petitions like this are usually the work of those trying to make excuses for the shortcomings of their team.
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Barring a few obvious errors, the overall standard of officiating isn't too bad. Certainly no worse than other sports. Petitions like this are usually the work of those trying to make excuses for the shortcomings of their team.
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| I heard the rfl have started an online petition to improve standards of hull kr fans
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"I heard the rfl have started an online petition to improve standards of hull kr fans'"
Where do I sign & is there one to banish the Leeds fecktards?
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"I heard the rfl have started an online petition to improve standards of hull kr fans'"
If you look on the Hull KR website you will actually see some fans of the club biking to headingley from Craven Park on Friday raising money for charity. Yes all clubs have a minority of idiots but some hard workers as well
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| Quote ="MOT"If you look on the Hull KR website you will actually see some fans of the club biking to headingley from Craven Park on Friday raising money for charity. Yes all clubs have a minority of idiots but some hard workers as well'"
I don't think you are, but I hope I aren't being branded one of the idiots?
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| Quote ="ScottHKR"I don't think you are, but I hope I aren't being branded one of the idiots?'"
Slightly merging threads here. If you have thrown a bottle onto the pitch during a game then yes you are an idiot, if you haven't then no you are not
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| Quote ="MOT"Slightly merging threads here. If you have thrown a bottle onto the pitch during a game then yes you are an idiot, if you haven't then no you are not'"
Wouldn't dream of it.
I'd ban the clowns for life. Don't drink at games anyway.
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| Quote ="ScottHKR"Did you read the petition? There were plenty of suggestions in there.
This is what was there:
Some example areas that can be resolved:
* Technology used at all games - something that was trialed and used and then disappeared.
* Forward passes to be looked at on the video screen - technology is advanced enough to be able to have moveable lines on a screen to check where a ball was passed and caught.
* Two referees - a system tried and tested in the NRL
* Changes to video ref system - asking the video ref to prove the decision wrong, rather than to make it. Having multiple video refs/consultants
* More responsibility on linesmen
* Using the sin bin correctly, and not putting players on report as a cop out
Can you honestly disagree with any of those?
If Rugby Union can look at a screen for a forward pass (without any added technology I may add) then why can't we?'"
I agree with all these but the simple fact is, there aint enough money in RL to support them.
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| Quote ="ScottHKR"Some example areas that can be resolved:
* Technology used at all games - something that was trialed and used and then disappeared.'"
Where is the money from this coming from?
Quote ="ScottHKR"* Forward passes to be looked at on the video screen - technology is advanced enough to be able to have moveable lines on a screen to check where a ball was passed and caught.'"
Irrelevant to the current law on forward passes. And if you changed the law to make forward relative to the ground rather than the passing player it would kill the game.
Quote ="ScottHKR"* Two referees - a system tried and tested in the NRL'"
Not a bad idea but there are barely enough refs for one at each game let alone two.
Quote ="ScottHKR"* Changes to video ref system - asking the video ref to prove the decision wrong, rather than to make it. Having multiple video refs/consultants'"
How would that work? Like DRS in Cricket with a limited number of challenges? In any case the ref currently asks for confirmation or clarification from the VR not for the decision to be made as such - try listening to what gets asked.
Quote ="ScottHKR"* More responsibility on linesmen'"
Examples?
Quote ="ScottHKR"* Using the sin bin correctly, and not putting players on report as a cop out'"
On Report, while over-used IMO, is not used in place of the Sin Bin.
Quote ="ScottHKR"If Rugby Union can look at a screen for a forward pass (without any added technology I may add) then why can't we?'"
Hmmmmm...
Quote “Unless there is a clear incident of a forward pass I would not expect the TMO to get too involved in that,” said Morrison.
“Camera angles can be very deceptive and we’ve got to be very careful in that regard. It’s still a fundamental principle that the match referee is in charge and much will depend on his instinct.”'"
So they are only allowing the VR (TMO) to rule on [iblatant[/i forward passes. The immediate problem there is who decides how blatant the forward pass is?
Oh - and they have the exact same rule on forward passes that we do.
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| Quote ="Kosh"
So they are only allowing the VR (TMO) to rule on [iblatant[/i forward passes. The immediate problem there is who decides how blatant the forward pass is?
Oh - and they have the exact same rule on forward passes that we do.'"
This isn't difficult.
If the VR can see the ball is clearly thrown forward out of the hands then it's disallowed.
If there is any doubt, benefit has to go to attacking side.
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| Regarding listening to what they ask, asking the VR to "check the grounding" is passing the book.
The on field ref should say, for example, I think Tomkins has grounded that ball before he is in touch. Can you tell me otherwise.
Then if the VR says, well actually Richard, his foot is in touch.
Then the on field ref has had his decision proved wrong.
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| This is embarrassing.
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| Quote ="ScottHKR"Regarding listening to what they ask, asking the VR to "check the grounding" is passing the book.
The on field ref should say, for example, I think Tomkins has grounded that ball before he is in touch. Can you tell me otherwise.
Then if the VR says, well actually Richard, his foot is in touch.
Then the on field ref has had his decision proved wrong.'"
This is absolutely no different to what happens now. The assumption is that a try has been scored, so when the VR is asked to "check the grounding" - or indeed anything else - he is looking to confirm or deny the decision already made by the on field ref. It's just semantics.
Quite a lot of fans' anger at decisions comes from not actually understanding what is going on and/or the relevant laws.
Which is not to say that I think the current crop of officials are much cop, by the way. But at least focus on the real problems - numbers of referees and training - rather than tinkering with mechanisms that are mostly working as intended.
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| Quote ="LeedsDave"This isn't difficult.
If the VR can see the ball is clearly thrown forward out of the hands then it's disallowed.
If there is any doubt, benefit has to go to attacking side.'"
The problems there, once again, are camera angles and subjectivity.
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| Quote ="LeedsDave"This isn't difficult.
If the VR can see the ball is clearly thrown forward out of the hands then it's disallowed.
If there is any doubt, benefit has to go to attacking side.'"
I think the OP is still a little down about Hull beating his team on Sunday. But lets take one of the incidents which they are moaning about into consideration.
For Rich Whitings try, at first glace, Holdsworths pass appears forward. From a static camera angle, the ball appears to drift forward in comparison to the grass lines on the pitch. The fact is, when you see holdsworths hand position on the ball at the point of passing, he throws it in a backward direction and his own speed inertia is what makes the ball appear to go forward in comparison to the ground.
All of which is irrelevant as its the motion of the ball in comparison to the block chucking it.
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| I bet Mr Sandercock has signed it. He spends almost as much time moaning about referees as he does looking tired and miserable.
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Only if you are prepared to get off your backside and show me how it should be done!!!
I will wait till hell freezes over first I think
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Only if you are prepared to get off your backside and show me how it should be done!!!
I will wait till hell freezes over first I think
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| Dear RFL,
Please could you fix it for me never to have to witness my team losing.
Lots of love,
Scott
Preston Road
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