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| Was looking forward to see if Sinfield could justify been Englands No.6.
Completely outplayed by Brough, Brough delivered a masterclass of stand off play, Sinfield went missing and was no where to be seen. When he did show up, it was poor quality. When he got the ball he only ever hit the first man. Where was his superb kicking game? If Leeds fans mention a beaten pack I will scream, Leeds were camped out on Hudds line time & time again yet they didn't look like scoring. When Leeds were up against it, where was Sinfield to kick them down field and relieve the pressure?
Brough did everything you want from a 6. Kicked superb, created and tackled his heart out. Even when Hudds were camped on their own 10, he booted the ball deep into Leeds corner.
How can McNamara watch that and justify Sinfield been Englands No.6 ahead of Brough? That's two games this season where Leeds and Hudds have gone up against each other and there has only been one clear winner.
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| Brough was far better than Sinfield today as wee Hudds better Leeds. Didn't realise it was an international selection process game though, must have missed that.
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| Brough and tomkins at halfbacks ,with sinfield at 13 or not in team at all for me.
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| We're starting to build a dominant pack again and people want Sinfield back at 13 (which he hasn't played for years now). Just no.
And yes, Brough was better today. We'll see when Sinfield peaks at the end of the year like normal.
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| As I've said before, this year Sinfield is doing too much tackling and affecting his attacking game.....by the 65min mark he was the 3rd highest tackler on the pitch behind only Crabtree and JJB. Not something that is ideal for a number 6 and should be understand that they have VERY different roles to play in their teams even if both picked at 6.
Plus that game wasn't won or decided by Brough vs Sinfield......it was about Hudds goalline defence.
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| Quote ="captaincaveman"Brough and tomkins at halfbacks ,with sinfield at 13 or not in team at all for me.'"
I would keep tomkins at full back and have brough and widdop in the halves.I would rather have sinfield on the bench personally
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| So do you ignore last week when Brough was totally dominated? He is far too inconsistent.
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| Brough was helped immensely by getting decent ball from a proper hooker.
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| I don't understand why Brough is dismissed by so many because he has the odd poor game, yet Sir Kev isn't afforded the same treatment.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"I don't understand why Brough is dismissed by so many because he has the odd poor game, yet Sir Kev isn't afforded the same treatment.'"
It seems to me to exactaly the opposite in this case. Personally I'd pick both of them in the halves. No matter how much Bull Mania witters on with his obsession Sinfield will play. McNamara has made him captain, and has pretty much confirmed several times that Sinfield is his first choice half.
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| Quote ="christopher"Brough was far better than Sinfield today as wee Hudds better Leeds. Didn't realise it was an international selection process game though, must have missed that.'"
This. One game is all it was. I'd have Sinfield over Brough at the WC for what it's worth.
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| If Sinfield is selected at 6 for England we might as well not bother turning up. As already mentioned he spends far too much time grafting. If his job is grafting he needs to be played at 13. 6 needs to be a creative player which Sinfield is not and never will be. We can't afford to lose a creative player just to shoehorn Sinfield into the side, this is something that's been wrong with the international game for many years now. Big name players playing out of position does not work, no matter who they are.
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| Tackling stats from league games
- Sinfield = 313 - Avg 26 (only 9 less total tackles than main prop Peacock)
- Brough = 174 - Avg 13.4 (109 less total tackles than main prop Crabtree)
- Burrow = 100 - Avg 8.5
- Lunt = 392 - Avg 28
If Sinfield could have Brough's workload in defence then he could be doing more in attack. However we don't have a tackling hooker at 9 and Sinfield is having to make up for that (last year we tried 'hiding' all '3' of our halves, that's why we were so poor in defence last year compared to this year, this year we aren't trying to 'hide' Sinfield in defence)......not a problem though that he'd face at International level with Roby most likely to be there.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Tackling stats from league games
- Sinfield = 313 - Avg 26 (only 9 less total tackles than main prop Peacock)
- Brough = 174 - Avg 13.4 (109 less total tackles than main prop Crabtree)
- Burrow = 100 - Avg 8.5
- Lunt = 392 - Avg 28
If Sinfield could have Brough's workload in defence then he could be doing more in attack. However we don't have a tackling hooker at 9 and Sinfield is having to make up for that (last year we tried 'hiding' all '3' of our halves, that's why we were so poor in defence last year compared to this year, this year we aren't trying to 'hide' Sinfield in defence)......not a problem though that he'd face at International level with Roby most likely to be there.'"
Of course, the other side of the argument against those stats is that maybe Huddersfield organise their defence better than Leeds when it comes to making sure their key man doesn't spend his games tackling...
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Tackling stats from league games
- Sinfield = 313 - Avg 26 (only 9 less total tackles than main prop Peacock)
- Brough = 174 - Avg 13.4 (109 less total tackles than main prop Crabtree)
- Burrow = 100 - Avg 8.5
- Lunt = 392 - Avg 28
If Sinfield could have Brough's workload in defence then he could be doing more in attack. However we don't have a tackling hooker at 9 and Sinfield is having to make up for that (last year we tried 'hiding' all '3' of our halves, that's why we were so poor in defence last year compared to this year, this year we aren't trying to 'hide' Sinfield in defence)......not a problem though that he'd face at International level with Roby most likely to be there.'"
I could understand this argument if in the last 20 Sinfield didn't play well, but for the whole 80 minutes he went missing. He hit the first man almost every time he passed the ball and i didn't see him put a decent kick in all day apart from a couple of bombs.
I just thought today showed that Sinfield is not a 6 and Brough is. I would choose Sinfield at 13.
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| Quote ="Teessidewire"So do you ignore last week when Brough was totally dominated? He is far too inconsistent.'"
Apart from the sin bin Brough played well last week. Especially considering he played behind a beaten pack and Robinson and Grix were awful meaning he was the only option in attack
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"I could understand this argument if in the last 20 Sinfield didn't play well, but for the whole 80 minutes he went missing. He hit the first man almost every time he passed the ball and i didn't see him put a decent kick in all day apart from a couple of bombs.
I just thought today showed that Sinfield is not a 6 and Brough is. I would choose Sinfield at 13.'"
I thought the playoffs last year showed that Sinfield was a 6 including a Harry Sunderland award.......but probably best we judge based on the 5th Round of the CC
He's fine at 6 if he can play the role properly in attack & defence......its not coincidence that the playoff games he was lauded in last year that Lunt played big minutes in them.
If Hudds had Burrow at 9 you'd see Brough struggle.
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| Quote ="BelleVueLifer"Of course, the other side of the argument against those stats is that maybe Huddersfield organise their defence better than Leeds when it comes to making sure their key man doesn't spend his games tackling...'"
It seems having Burrow at 9 in attack trumps keeping Sinfield fresh for attack in the stand off.....dont quite get it either but that's not Sinfield's fault, neither does it mean he won't do better for England.
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| When he's on, Brough is the best half back we have available for selection. I'd rather have him and slightly inconsistent than a dull option like Wilkin.
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| Sinfield in for his kicking, only, very overrated in normal play, but Brough's not a good enough player or kicker.
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| Quote ="captaincaveman"Brough and tomkins at halfbacks ,with sinfield at 13 or not in team at all for me.'"
Brough over Widdop? And then 2 players playing in positions they havn't played in for about 4 years.
Not for me thanks.
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| I thought this thread was going to be about who had the biggest forehead.
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| yet again, brough showed sinfield a masterclass in half back play
yet again sinfield was anonymous as the giants tore his team to shreds.
at the moment we have leeds' number and the so called best player in the world and his champion team have no answer to us.
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| Quote ="meast"yet again, brough showed sinfield a masterclass in half back play
yet again sinfield was anonymous as the giants tore his team to shreds.
at the moment we have leeds' number and the so called best player in the world and his champion team have no answer to us.'"
Sinfield is a top man for Leeds and an excellent club captain but, he aint the best player in the world.
Although he is Leeds most important player.
Huddersfield were excellent yesterday, fully deserving the win.
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| that's just what I said to a leeds fan after the game.
I appreciate that he is a good player for what he does for leeds etc but as a RL fan I just don't see how sinfield is a world class player. to be fair I only see him when he plays against us or on tv but I can't remember seeing him have a good game at all this year, he,like his team only seems to be good when it matters in one off big games and even then its more to do with his leadership qualities rather than what he does with the ball.
yesterday I only noticed him really when he kicked out on the full, true world class players turn it on at some point during a game, sinfield doesn't for me.
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