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| In a final nail in the coffin of Championship credibility 31 year old Paul Wood and 24 year old Tyrone McArthy are set to play for Swinton on DR at the weekend!
In total there are 8 Warrington players in the 19 man squad which means that at least 6 will be in the matchday lineup...
I thought DR was all about opening up opportunities for young player to have higher level experience so I must have obviously missed some of the details to the new structure -
a) What happened to "under 22 years old"?
b) Isn't 4 the maximum a team can have?
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| Paul Wood: Was offered two weeks off to sort off field issues out I believe - Playing at Swinton to keep match fit
Tyke: Won't be in our first choice 19 this year at full strength, but will come in through injuries and squad rotation so needs to keep fresh.
Didn't know there was an overage rule for Dual Regs anymore? I thought the whole idea after dropping the U20's was that DR could be used to keep players over the age 19 match fit, and help those coming back from injury...?
I don't agree with the dropping of the U20's, but isn't this exactly how the system was due to be used?
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| Quote ="Toadstool":1h92sgopIn a final nail in the coffin of Championship credibility 31 year old Paul Wood and 24 year old Tyrone McArthy are set to play for Swinton on DR at the weekend!
In total there are 8 Warrington players in the 19 man squad which means that at least 6 will be in the matchday lineup...
I thought DR was all about opening up opportunities for young player to have higher level experience so I must have obviously missed some of the details to the new structure -
a) What happened to "under 22 years old"?
b) Isn't 4 the maximum a team can have?'" being loaned to Championship clubs , then supplemented by 5 DR reserves with the Championship club only having 6/7 actual players of their own
Game over
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| Do feel for the championship sides. They will be cheering for a different team every week.
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| Quote ="Alf7"Paul Wood: Was offered two weeks off to sort off field issues out I believe - Playing at Swinton to keep match fit
Tyke: Won't be in our first choice 19 this year at full strength, but will come in through injuries and squad rotation so needs to keep fresh.
Didn't know there was an overage rule for Dual Regs anymore? I thought the whole idea after dropping the U20's was that DR could be used to keep players over the age 19 match fit, and help those coming back from injury...?
I don't agree with the dropping of the U20's, but isn't this exactly how the system was due to be used?'"
I think you are missing the point - from a Championship fan's viewpoint it makes a mockery of the whole season.
Only 4 or 5 teams (Fev, Fax, Sheffield, Leyth and perhaps Batley) are now genuine, stand alone clubs and the outcome of the league could be decided if one of these comes up against Swinton, York, Hunslet on a weekend when Wire, Hull or Leeds have a free weekend...
But if it is in the interest of Super League then what the hell....
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| Quote ="Toadstool"I think you are missing the point - from a Championship fan's viewpoint it makes a mockery of the whole season.
Only 4 or 5 teams (Fev, Fax, Sheffield, Leyth and perhaps Batley) are now genuine, stand alone clubs and the outcome of the league could be decided if one of these comes up against Swinton, York, Hunslet on a weekend when Wire, Hull or Leeds have a free weekend...
But if it is in the interest of Super League then what the hell....'"
Batley are in bed with Huddersfield, the 5th team is Keighley
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"Do feel for the championship sides. They will be cheering for a different team every week.'"
So do I, its a ridiculous situation for the championship league. Whoever botched this up needs to be accountable.
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| Who cares about championship rugby? Super League is where it's at.
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| Quote ="littlerich"Who cares about championship rugby? Super League is where it's at.'"
I reckon within 5 years Superleague will go down to 10 teams, then the rest of rugby league will need to re invent itself.
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| Quote ="Mr Dog"Quote ="Toadstool"
Batley are in bed with Huddersfield, the 5th team is Keighley'" '"
Barrow don't have a link up with a SL club either.
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| I don't see why it's a problem. The dual reg players will only play for the Championship clubs if they are better players than those they already have, surely?
Being an official feeder team isn't a problem either. They still play at their own ground, in their own colours. What does it matter if the players are contracted to and paid by a Super League club? It happens in a lot of other sports in the world. The NRL is set up in this way I think, with the top amateur leagues over there affiliated with clubs in the NRL.
If anything you could argue that it improves the Championship as the players will be of a higher standard, both in terms of ability and their professional approach to the sport. They will be training full time as well. To get into a Championship side now a player attached to a Championship club will have to be better than any of the young players and reserves at the Super League club. This will help the Championship's own players strive to improve, just to get into the team. Those that make way will drop down, further improving the quality found in the next division and it will filter down like that?
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I don't see why it's a problem. The dual reg players will only play for the Championship clubs if they are better players than those they already have, surely?
Being an official feeder team isn't a problem either. They still play at their own ground, in their own colours. What does it matter if the players are contracted to and paid by a Super League club? It happens in a lot of other sports in the world. The NRL is set up in this way I think, with the top amateur leagues over there affiliated with clubs in the NRL.
If anything you could argue that it improves the Championship as the players will be of a higher standard, both in terms of ability and their professional approach to the sport. They will be training full time as well. To get into a Championship side now a player attached to a Championship club will have to be better than any of the young players and reserves at the Super League club. This will help the Championship's own players strive to improve, just to get into the team. Those that make way will drop down, further improving the quality found in the next division and it will filter down like that?'"
If its so good , I'm sure you'll be paying to watch it , as for me , yet another reason not to bother , I doubt I'll be alone
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I don't see why it's a problem. The dual reg players will only play for the Championship clubs if they are better players than those they already have, surely?
Being an official feeder team isn't a problem either. They still play at their own ground, in their own colours. What does it matter if the players are contracted to and paid by a Super League club? It happens in a lot of other sports in the world. The NRL is set up in this way I think, with the top amateur leagues over there affiliated with clubs in the NRL.
If anything you could argue that it improves the Championship as the players will be of a higher standard, both in terms of ability and their professional approach to the sport. They will be training full time as well. To get into a Championship side now a player attached to a Championship club will have to be better than any of the young players and reserves at the Super League club. This will help the Championship's own players strive to improve, just to get into the team. Those that make way will drop down, further improving the quality found in the next division and it will filter down like that?'"
It matters if you have been brought up in the belief that the money you spend to support YOUR team and YOUR town will create an opportunity to reach the pinnacle of your sport.
Being a super dooper league fan you won't get it... unless you have a Bradford/Salford moment...
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| Quote ="Toadstool"Quote ="Saddened!"I don't see why it's a problem. The dual reg players will only play for the Championship clubs if they are better players than those they already have, surely?
Being an official feeder team isn't a problem either. They still play at their own ground, in their own colours. What does it matter if the players are contracted to and paid by a Super League club? It happens in a lot of other sports in the world. The NRL is set up in this way I think, with the top amateur leagues over there affiliated with clubs in the NRL.
If anything you could argue that it improves the Championship as the players will be of a higher standard, both in terms of ability and their professional approach to the sport. They will be training full time as well. To get into a Championship side now a player attached to a Championship club will have to be better than any of the young players and reserves at the Super League club. This will help the Championship's own players strive to improve, just to get into the team. Those that make way will drop down, further improving the quality found in the next division and it will filter down like that?'"
It matters if you have been brought up in the belief that the money you spend to support YOUR team and YOUR town will create an opportunity to reach the pinnacle of your sport.
Being a super dooper league fan you won't get it... unless you have a Bradford/Salford moment...'"
As a fan of a SL club, indeed the one in question here, I take offence at that. I completely get it, and would be well peed off in your shoes. I, and a fair few other Wire fans, think the system is ridiculous (and we're benefiting from it!), but equally there seems to be some Swinton fans who are quite happy.
As an RL first, and Wire fan second, I agree with te SL concept, and the franchise principles. However, I'd like to see a strong championship, and for the heartlands club to have an identity outside SL, and something to strive for- though rather than SL status, success in their own vibrant comp first should be the aim IMO.
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| Quote ="NtW"As a fan of a SL club, indeed the one in question here, I take offence at that. I completely get it, and would be well peed off in your shoes. I, and a fair few other Wire fans, think the system is ridiculous (and we're benefiting from it!), but equally there seems to be some Swinton fans who are quite happy.
As an RL first, and Wire fan second, I agree with te SL concept, and the franchise principles. However, I'd like to see a strong championship, and for the heartlands club to have an identity outside SL, and something to strive for- though rather than SL status, =#FF0000success in their own vibrant comp first should be the aim IMO.'"
And the comp was ' vibrant ' if not completely worth winning in its own right , but now even that is being diluted , for the benifit of SL , bloody marvelous
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| Quote ="Starbug"And the comp was ' vibrant ' if not completely worth winning in its own right , but now even that is being diluted , for the benifit of SL , bloody marvelous'"
It's a two way benefit. I never heard any Leeds fans complaining when Shaun Lunt came to the club on loan from Huddersfield. Nor did I ever read about any Warrington fans complaining when Andrew Johns had a short stint over here with their club.
I think as long as a club can put 13 players on the field with 4 on the bench then I don't really see the problem?
Why not support whoever puts on a shirt for your club regardless of their contractual complications?
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"It's a two way benefit. I never heard any Leeds fans complaining when Shaun Lunt came to the club on loan from Huddersfield. Nor did I ever read about any Warrington fans complaining when Andrew Johns had a short stint over here with their club.
I think as long as a club can put 13 players on the field with 4 on the bench then =#FF0000I don't really see the problem?
Why not support whoever puts on a shirt for your club regardless of their contractual complications?'"
Then you never will , why dont you support a different club ?
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"It's a two way benefit. I never heard any Leeds fans complaining when Shaun Lunt came to the club on loan from Huddersfield. Nor did I ever read about any Warrington fans complaining when Andrew Johns had a short stint over here with their club.
I think as long as a club can put 13 players on the field with 4 on the bench then I don't really see the problem?
Why not support whoever puts on a shirt for your club regardless of their contractual complications?'"
Are you taking over from Smokey ........ Nah you `re way too dumb, then again, you are Smokey.
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| Quote ="Starbug"If its so good , I'm sure you'll be paying to watch it , as for me , yet another reason not to bother , I doubt I'll be alone'" Good luck not watching RL
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"It's a two way benefit. I never heard any Leeds fans complaining when Shaun Lunt came to the club on loan from Huddersfield. Nor did I ever read about any Warrington fans complaining when Andrew Johns had a short stint over here with their club.
I think as long as a club can put 13 players on the field with 4 on the bench then I don't really see the problem?
Why not support whoever puts on a shirt for your club regardless of their contractual complications?'"
Oh dear,you just dont get it
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| Quote ="Starbug"Quote ="NtW"As a fan of a SL club, indeed the one in question here, I take offence at that. I completely get it, and would be well peed off in your shoes. I, and a fair few other Wire fans, think the system is ridiculous (and we're benefiting from it!), but equally there seems to be some Swinton fans who are quite happy.
As an RL first, and Wire fan second, I agree with te SL concept, and the franchise principles. However, I'd like to see a strong championship, and for the heartlands club to have an identity outside SL, and something to strive for- though rather than SL status, =#FF0000success in their own vibrant comp first should be the aim IMO.'"
And the comp was ' vibrant ' if not completely worth winning in its own right , but now even that is being diluted , for the benifit of SL , bloody marvelous'"
I'm not sure if you're disagreeing but that's my point entirely!
The amateur clubs have their own leagues, that people play in and watch entirely for its own ends. If a player does well in that league he might move to a bigger, semi-pro club. These amateur clubs have their own identity though.
Why can't the Championship be like that? If SL clubs have too many players for their SL team, and they need a comp for this, why can't they just have a reserve competition, like the old Alliance league?! I just don't get it. Why do they need to 'develop' these feeder clubs?
The comparison to Lunt's loan, or John's guest appearance (or Meninga or Wally Lewis before them) is daft-neither of these threatened the identity of Leeds/Wire, neither made these clubs 'development squads' for another club, neither meant that SL became an irrelevant comp.
I would love to see the game below SL prosper, and these heartland clubs, and new ones, have their own identity. SL should focus on their own lot, and leave the rest to it, and the RFL should help all in their own right.
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| Quote ="Toadstool"In a final nail in the coffin of Championship credibility 31 year old Paul Wood and 24 year old Tyrone McArthy are set to play for Swinton on DR at the weekend!
In total there are 8 Warrington players in the 19 man squad which means that at least 6 will be in the matchday lineup...
I thought DR was all about opening up opportunities for young player to have higher level experience so I must have obviously missed some of the details to the new structure -
a) What happened to "under 22 years old"?
b) Isn't 4 the maximum a team can have?'"
to be fair Warrington were one of several clubs to oppose the scrapping of the old system. Not our fault that we have to make the best of it now.
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| This development is only been looked at by some as the worse case scenario every single time. It has not even been given a full seasons chance yet. If this does turn out to be a disaster then we'll see this new aspect of our game consigned to the history bin just like Phil Clarke's margin meter.
Give it a chance and embrace. Period.
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| Quote ="Derwent"Barrow don't have a link up with a SL club either.'"
Apologies, thought Barrow had been in the original post.
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| I won't be putting money into the coffers of any twinned club. Especially any that abuse it like swinton have.
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