www.redvee.net/readarticle.php?article_id=1205 Don't know if its been discussed

www.redvee.net/readarticle.php?article_id=1205 Don't know if its been discussed

People get older, their passions fade or change and they yearn for a golden age that invariably coincided with their youth.

It has been - at length on totalrl and redvee. The consensus on the former appears to be that whilst it raises some valid points about present days issues it is very much a dewey-eyed misrememberance of a heroic past. The consensus on the latter appears to be that the people on totalrl are a bunch of s.

I agree with both positions

The title of this thread should leave the OP liable to charges of false advertising.

I got bored half way down. I did agree with some of the comments but the most part just sounded like whining for whining sake.

I wish people would lay out what has been said in the link in the opening post. Five posts in and I still don't know what the feck the thread is about. So then I have to open the link. Yawn. That's 3.4 seconds of my excruciatingly boring life that I'll never get back.

My advice would be to get into model making or train spotting

To be fair, I don't think I ever expected anyone to agree on RL Fans (just like Total Morons RL) as there's nothing wrong with the game in many people's eyes here. However, what gets me is that people deride it as a load of rubbish but then don't actually have the intelligence to respond to the points raised, which makes me think that people just don't want to see what's staring them in the face. I appreciate that it's beneath a lot of you but there is a lot of discussion on this thread, and just because the content doesn't conform with Rugby League Propaganda, doesn't mean that some of the participants haven't raised valid points. PS The first page is nostalgic old gumph. You might as well skip that. www.redvee.net/forums/showthread ... ame-Thread

To be fair, I don't think I ever expected anyone to agree on RL Fans (just like Total Morons RL) as there's nothing wrong with the game in many people's eyes here. However, what gets me is that people deride it as a load of rubbish but then don't actually have the intelligence to respond to the points raised, which makes me think that people just don't want to see what's staring them in the face. I appreciate that it's beneath a lot of you but there is a lot of discussion on this thread, and just because the content doesn't conform with Rugby League Propaganda, doesn't mean that some of the participants haven't raised valid points. PS The first page is nostalgic old gumph. You might as well skip that. www.redvee.net/forums/showthread ... ame-Thread

yaaaaaaaawn, more negative drivel. if you don't like the game, don't watch it.

Read it all and have to say that I agree with quite a lot of what has been written.
I have been a fan of the game over 50 years and my agreement with many of the points made is not based upon dewy eyed sentimentality.

is it a jon wilkin article?

I posted similar on the Leeds board when this was discussed.

People in 60s 70s and 80s probably used to moan about the game not being as good then as it was with unlimited tackles for example.

The fact its been written by [iDespondent [/iDave is hardly surprising either.

Nice. However, this is another one of those global responses that derides the content without actually pointing out what is wrong and why it is wrong.

Written by a poster I'm very familiar with, he has addressed you properly at least.

FWIW I'm not going to start getting personal either, but it's a shame you're not feeling the rugby league as of late. You don't think in any way this is down to St Helens not being the force they once were?

Your team won everything and were on top for so long that it became formulaic, and now, they've fallen a bit and it's not the same? You feel like when you're not on top the team is inferior but when you are on top it's not the same. The chase is far better than the prize. Have you considered this?

There's nothing wrong with it, its your opinion. There're are some things in the article I agree with to an extent but I can accept the game is different now, and I still enjoy watching it.

Its like everything in life, it changes and sometimes those changes are hard to take, whether those changes are going bald or your knees starting to go or the fact that there're no GB tours any more.

I've always generally agreed with most things Dave has written about the game over the years so it isn't surprising that I broadly agree with the article as a whole, but specifically about the game on the pitch itself.

My first game was in '87 as well and, though I am a good few years younger personal experience tells me that a lot of people my age and a bit older are getting fed up of the game and not following it, or being as interested in it, as we used to. It isn't down to our teams not winning as is always the predictable response, of the five Leeds fans in my office three of them have stopped renewing their season tickets over the last couple of years - and these are people who probably have more disposable income than they've had in the past.

It's not a good demographic for RL to be losing support from, these are people who'd be expected to take kids of their own, or nieces and nephews to games to keep the line of support going - and if many fall out with the game it will have a negative longer term impact.

The changes have sanitised the sport of RL, that along with our inability to beat the Aussies has led to a situation where there are now no surprises, no dreams, no passion and loss of emotion, 10 games since I packed in now , and not missing it, Leigh will win today at York and might with a bit of luck make the GF, but ultimatly it wont mean a lot

Same for the bulk of the rest of the teams

If you've given up, sod off then. Stop dragging the rest down. Either give up properly or don't. Leigh deserve better support.

The word ' deserve ' is used far too often in sport and particularily in RL, did Widnes ' deserve ' to be given a licence? Do Bradford ' deserve ' to remain in SL?

Useless meaningless comment from you.

Well both have been posted on here, and yet both questions are non playing relevant, so why do Leigh deserve better support?

Both questions are entirely irrelevant to this discussion and it's frankly bizarre that you've brought either up.

Why do Leigh deserve better support?

Because every club is about it's fans. Not the current board. Not the governing body. Especially not the governing body. The fans. If you're prepared to bail out and declare you are "not a fan" just because you don't like current management then you're missing the point.

I havent stated I'm not a fan, you did that, I said I dont watch them any more

Read the majority of the article, and I somewhat agree with some of the points made. However, I felt there was a counter to most arguments.

You seem to have made your mind up and derided almost every facet of the game, both on and off the field. On the field, I feel Friday's game between Catalans and Saints served up more or less everything you could want from a sporting contest. The point on all forwards carting the ball up and being the same isn't valid. From the Catalans team alone, how can you put Menzies, Paea and Pelissier in the same bracket of player? Menzies is a joy to watch as a wide running and creative second row whilst Paea's sheer power and explosiveness is also stunning. If you no longer find the exploits of those 2 differentiated and interesting, so be it but I would question your appreciation for the game and your understanding as a result.

The governing body often gets derided. Whilst it's decisions are not often popular, it's role is to safeguard the future of the game in what is an increasingly crowded sports market. Towns like Leigh and Featherstone aren't the future, as upsetting and blunt as that may seem. Expansion is important to our game, however I agree plonking a team in Super League (Crusaders in Wrexham) isn't the answer. Going forward, I can only think that France is the answer due to their clubs with history and substance. Whilst most Rugby League towns are not big, towns like Carcassonne, Toulouse and Avignon for me hold the key. Focused expansion in those areas, all of which have a deep routed love of Rugby alongside populations more than capable of sustaining Catalan like attendances are the future. This excites me (if progress was made) rather than deflates me because I'm not going to be able to go to a ghost town in Yorkshire or a manufactured bland stadium at Leigh. What needs to happen is a concrete plan to be put in place for the next 10 years. An English/French league for me, would carry more weight in the sporting climate we find ourselves in and would be enticing to (open minded, forward thinking) fans.

We currently have too many teams, I don't think their is a question about that and there are far to many mediocre players playing in Super League but if games like Friday's (and hopefully tomorrow's) leave you feeling down about the game, then so be it but I can't understand it.

On copying Australia, I think you are spot on. This country is different in all sporting aspects and following their lead just doesn't work.

As I'm beginning to ramble, albeit in the knowledge I could go on for a lengthy amount of time, I hope you rediscover your passion for the game and to be honest, have no doubt you will at some point, as ours is a game that never really leaves us once we have the love for it.

Just out of interest Il Fanatico, what do you see as the future for the Leighs and Featherstones of the world?