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| In the NRL's February All Stars game the following rule changes will be trialled:
1. POWER PLAY - at a stoppage in each half, each team can call a Power Play, whereby the opposition must immediately drop 2 players for 5 minutes.
2. Ruck infringements which do not halt the play (eg holding down) will not be a penalty, but instead, an immediate wiping of the tackle count.
3. 40/20 rule to be extended to include 20/40
Would you like to see any of these introduced? I can see merit in 2 and 3, but the power play thing is to me a horrible gimmick, artificially altering the balance of play, and I just hate the idea.
Full rule changes:
Quote Power play
- Each team will receive one (1) optional power play in each half of the match.
- Once a team captain nominates to the match referee that they wish to use their power play for the half at a stoppage in play (changeover, scrum etc.), the opposition team must immediately drop two (2) players from the field of play for a 5 minute period (11 players on the field of play).
- If the team who called the power play scores a try during this period, the power play will end immediately and the two players who left the field may return.
- Players returning to the field of play must do so under the supervision of the interchange official.
- The team defending the power play will make the decision which two players leave the field from their team during the power play.
- Once a power play has been called, the opposition team may not call their power play at the same time. If both teams call a power play at the same time, the team about to receive possession will be granted the power play.
- A second clock will appear on the scoreboard showing the time period for the power play.
Changes to penalties in the ruck area
- For infringements in the ruck area by the defending team (holding down, leg pull, hand on ball etc.) which does not result in the breakdown of play (i.e. drop ball), the referee will indicate the infringement followed by immediately restarting the tackle count at the point of the infringement with a zero tackle.
- There will be no kick for touch for these infringements. Play will continue immediately from the point of the infringement.
- Any foul play in the ruck area by the defending team will result in a traditional penalty.
- Any infringement by the attacking team in the ruck area will result in a traditional penalty.
20/40 kicks in play
- A team which kicks the ball from within their own 20m area and can successfully find touch within the 40m area of the defending team will receive the feed to the ensuing scrum.'"
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I can see merit in 2 and 3, but the power play thing is to me a horrible gimmick, artificially altering the balance of play, and I just hate the idea.'"
Agreed.
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| I like the rule 2 idea, but what does it extend to, hands on the ball etc?
Also how would it be communicated to fans effectively?
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"I like the rule 2 idea, but what does it extend to, hands on the ball etc?
Also how would it be communicated to fans effectively?'"
Presumably the same gesture as for wiping the tackle count clean.
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| 3 seems reasonable enough.
I'm not that keen on 2. At the moment the punishment for holding down at the ruck makes it really important to tow the line (not that everybody does). Under these proposed rules, if a team had their opposition camped in their own 20, they may be more inclined to try it on a bit if all that's at stake is defending a couple of extra tackles. Their opposition won't be able to do anything with the extra tackles anyway, if they're being held down at the play the ball. Similarly, after your opponents have made a half break it would make sense to just hold them down and face a full set with an organised defensive line.
1 is the most stupid idea I've ever heard.
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| 1. stupid idea
2. Not a bad idea really but still think the system we currently have in place is better
3. Dont agree with this seems to punish the defensive efforts of a team, if you are able to restrict your opponents to 20 meters they shouldnt be able to put in a 50m kick and gain an advantage IMO.
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| Quote ="Dux"3 seems reasonable enough.
I'm not that keen on 2. At the moment the punishment for holding down at the ruck makes it really important to tow the line (not that everybody does). Under these proposed rules, if a team had their opposition camped in their own 20, they may be more inclined to try it on a bit if all that's at stake is defending a couple of extra tackles. Their opposition won't be able to do anything with the extra tackles anyway, if they're being held down at the play the ball. Similarly, after your opponents have made a half break it would make sense to just hold them down and face a full set with an organised defensive line.
1 is the most stupid idea I've ever heard.'"
2. Ruck infringements which do not halt the play (eg holding down) will not be a penalty, but instead, an immediate wiping of the tackle count
I would count holding down as being something that halts play so may still be a penalty rather than the tackle count restarting
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| Quote ="livin_the _dream"1. stupid idea
2. Not a bad idea really but still think the system we currently have in place is better
3. Dont agree with this seems to punish the defensive efforts of a team, if you are able to restrict your opponents to 20 meters they shouldnt be able to put in a 50m kick and gain an advantage IMO.'"
I agree
1. absolute no go. Will delay play and is taking something from the integrity of the game
2. Ok, but hard to police.
3. As you say it rewards the big hail Mary kick when under pressure. And hard to police. Ref only needs to watch at 40, now needs to watch at 20....and why not a 30 30 if we are changing.
Just leave as is.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I agree
1. absolute no go. Will delay play and is taking something from the integrity of the game
2. Ok, but hard to police.
3. As you say it rewards the big hail Mary kick when under pressure. And hard to police. Ref only needs to watch at 40, now needs to watch at 20....and why not a 30 30 if we are changing.
Just leave as is.'"
I think a 10/50 is the future!
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"I think a 10/50 is the future!'"
I see a future rule of 0/0, which is an automatic try.
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| Number 2 was suggested by a fella on here a few years ago and was a brilliant idea in the way that he put it accross.
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| I don't like rule 3 at all.
Reward a team for their defensive efforts in pinning down an opposition instead of offering the attackers an escape route.
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| the wipe the tackle count is silly. for example you make a break the defensive team is trotting back as a tackler all you have to do is lay on the man for a min till all your players are back in position and all you have done is forfeited 5 tackles or even worse you are 18 points all and your in the last 2 mins of the game and the attacking team doesn't get a shot at two points to win the game?
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| Quote ="dubairl"the wipe the tackle count is silly. for example you make a break the defensive team is trotting back as a tackler all you have to do is lay on the man for a min till all your players are back in position and all you have done is forfeited 5 tackles or even worse you are 18 points all and your in the last 2 mins of the game and the attacking team doesn't get a shot at two points to win the game?'"
I'd assume the messing around/holding down rule is in general play, and would guess if this is attempted after a break, there would still be the option for a penalty and sin-bin?
As said, 1 is an awful idea, one player would be bad enough but two just makes it far too easy to score.
I quite like 2, it's always seemed a bit odd to me that a high shot that leads to a player being out for the entire game, or an elbow to the face, or the attempted breaking of a leg can all end up with the same result as a player hanging on that split second too long, or setting off from the defensive line half a second too early. I look forward to see how this rule works in practice.
Split on the third, though I think it would come into play even less than 40/20s, and would be much easier to prevent you'd think. Not sure the rule is worth bothering with, I don't expect a successful one in this trial match.
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| I don't especially like any of them. The powerplay one is just horrible.
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| I like two and three but one is way beyond stupid!
When we change things the reason should be to attain improvement.
Two and three may well improve the game, with one the game just loses credibility.
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| Reading the full rules, under the power play, I note that the first point is
- Each team will receive one (1) optional power play in each half of the match.
It would be great if the captains of the respective teams in the all stars game declined to take this optional power play in protest of some idiots trying to ruin our great game
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| While I could cope with 2 and 3 I don't think they should be brought in.
1 is absolutely ludricrous.
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| 1. Laughable
2. Why stop here, why not just stop giving penalties all together, rules are there for a reason if you break the rules it should be a penalty!
3. imo the 40/20 rules already penalises good defence so why make it worse by giving the kicker more space to aim for and removing any skill from the kick. If they insist on these rules, I think they should be restricted to only the first 4 tackles to add a tactical element to the kick and not last tackle desperation!
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| 1 is a stupid gimmick that should be treated with the derision it deserves.
2 is workable, but we'd benefit much more from a more consistent application of the rules that already exist in that situation; enforce them properly rather than tinkering around the edges.
3 looks like an easy option escape from pressure, but I don't think it would be used very often in practice.
Overall, a rather pointless exercise in tinkering with the rules when what should really be the focus of attention is stopping the coaching culture that encourages players to ignore the spirit of the laws whilst staying within the letter.
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| I once suggested something similar to the 2nd rule when debating about how some games were becoming stop start because of all the penalties given for holding down, particularly at the start of the season.
Given that most offences around the play the ball are down to interpretation it's possible that a team could commit a certain offence twice and get away with it while another team could do it once and lose 40 metres in field position or concede 2 points from a penalty.
Wiping the tackle count would prevent the game from becoming stop start. While it does mean the team who commit the offence aren't punished as much it's often said that refs could find something to punish at every ruck. I think it would help the refs to become more consistent and perhaps ease the pressure when it comes to judging ruck infringements.
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| The 6 to go seems a good idea, keeps the game flowing.
The power play is just silly.
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| I've got a crazy, mad rule change coming from left field.
How about we all play the same rules all over the world?
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| Total bollox
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| 1 & 3 - absolute rubbish and shouldn't be touched with a barge pole.
2 - has possible merit, would want to see it extensively trialled before tried at pro-level though.
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