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| Was the US squad made up only of David Niu sanctioned players or were all US players eligible?
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| thats a decent result for the US. There was what 7/8 players with SL experience in that Jamaica side
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"thats a decent result for the US. There was what 7/8 players with SL experience in that Jamaica side'"
SL experience doesn't often translate very well to the international stage due to the playing standards in that competition. This was particularly evident during the 2008 World Cup where international sides comprised of mainly SL players struggled to compete effectively.
It's also notable that a significant contingent of that USA team possess NRL experience or grades below that in either Australia or NZ. The 40-4 scoreline in USA's favour therefore doesn't surprise me in the least because a number of their players have experience of playing at a higher and more competitive level.
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| Cunz looks a good prospect, will be looking forward to the Sky commentary on him.
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| Yeah, it was probably the NRL experience of top quality players like Ryan Mcgoldrick and Matty Peterson that pulled the US through. Players who as you know, tore up SL.
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"SL experience doesn't often translate very well to the international stage due to the playing standards in that competition. This was particularly evident during the 2008 World Cup where international sides comprised of mainly SL players struggled to compete effectively.
It's also notable that a significant contingent of that USA team possess NRL experience or grades below that in either Australia or NZ. The 40-4 scoreline in USA's favour therefore doesn't surprise me in the least because a number of their players have experience of playing at a higher and more competitive level.'"
Didn't Ireland make the semi qualifier, knocking Samoa and Tonga out in '08? Then gave Fiji a game too.
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| [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgDhU_wHA10&feature=youtu.beSome good TV coverage over the pond too by the looks of it[/url
Interesting that they interview the American players in the team rather than just the Aussies. Point of note for Sky there I feel.
After the game against England, don't interview Lee Briers, interview one of the Welsh players.
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| Karl Pryce at Stand off?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Yeah, it was probably the NRL experience of top quality players like Ryan Mcgoldrick and Matty Peterson that pulled the US through. Players who as you know, tore up SL.'"
Looking at the points scorers for the USA, McGoldrick and Petersen's SL experience didn't contribute. Let's take a look at the players who did contribute all 40 of USA's points yesterday...
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Steve Howard (Tuggeranong Vikings - Canberra)
David Marando (Belrose Eagles - NSW Cup & Manly/North Sydney District)
Mitch Stevens (North Sydney Bears - NSWRL)
Mark Cantoni (Northern Pride - Qld Cup, Qld Country)
David Myles (Gold Coast Chargers/Titans, Auckland Warriors, NQ Cowboys)
Danny Howard (Wentworthville Magpies, NSWRL)
Mark Offerdahl (Easts Tigers - Qld Cup)
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Throw in a coach with several years recent NRL experience in Matthew Elliott and it ought to be of no surprise to anyone that the USA beat another team containing 7/8 players with SL experience.
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"Didn't Ireland make the semi qualifier, knocking Samoa and Tonga out in '08? Then gave Fiji a game too.'"
They did indeed and played 3 games during the World Cup winning 1 game and losing 2, which backs up my earlier point that international teams comprising in the main of players with SL experience don't often translate very well to the international stage and struggle to compete effectively.
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"Looking at the points scorers for the USA, McGoldrick and Petersen's SL experience didn't contribute. Let's take a look at the players who did contribute all 40 of USA's points yesterday...
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Steve Howard (Tuggeranong Vikings - Canberra)
David Marando (Belrose Eagles - NSW Cup & Manly/North Sydney District)
Mitch Stevens (North Sydney Bears - NSWRL)
Mark Cantoni (Northern Pride - Qld Cup, Qld Country)
David Myles (Gold Coast Chargers/Titans, Auckland Warriors, NQ Cowboys)
Danny Howard (Wentworthville Magpies, NSWRL)
Mark Offerdahl (Easts Tigers - Qld Cup)
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Throw in a coach with several years recent NRL experience in Matthew Elliott and it ought to be of no surprise to anyone that the USA beat another team containing 7/8 players with SL experience.'" It takes some strange level of insecurity to confuse a compliment to the performance of the USA with a comparison between the NRL and SL.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"It takes some strange level of insecurity to confuse a compliment to the performance of the USA with a comparison between the NRL and SL.'"
I'd suggest it takes some strange level of insecurity (based upon an over-inflated opinion on the quality of players with SL experience) to be offering compliments to a team winning on the aforementioned basis which you alluded to initially, particularly when evidence points to the contrary.
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| I have no idea why you think the relative merits of SL and the NRL are germane to a conversation about the relative merits of the AMNRL and SL.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I have no idea why you think the relative merits of SL and the NRL are germane to a conversation about the relative merits of the AMNRL and SL.'"
I have no idea why you felt it was pertinent to introduce the relative merits of a team just because it defeated another team containing 7/8 players with SL experience, apart from reasons related to insecurity. On the topic of the relative merits of the AMNRL, it's clear you were ignorantly unaware that 12 USA players yesterday happen to be overseas products of Australia and all 40 points were scored by those overseas products and coached by an overseas product, hence the absurdity of your continued commitment to a conversation on the relative merits of the AMNRL and SL.
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| Can't we just celebrate the fact that a country the size of the USA has qualified for the 2013 World Cup, with several domestic players, instead of turning it into a typical "let's try and find something to moan about" RL topic?
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"I have no idea why you felt it was pertinent to introduce the relative merits of a team just because it defeated another team containing 7/8 players with SL experience, apart from reasons related to insecurity. On the topic of the relative merits of the AMNRL, it's clear you were ignorantly unaware that 12 USA players yesterday happen to be overseas products of Australia and all 40 points were scored by those overseas products and coached by an overseas product, hence the absurdity of your continued commitment to a conversation on the relative merits of the AMNRL and SL.'"
You dont see why it is pertinent to discuss the relative merits of one team to the team they were playing? wierd.
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| Quote ="riversider82"Can't we just celebrate the fact that a country the size of the USA has qualified for the 2013 World Cup, with several domestic players, instead of turning it into a typical "let's try and find something to moan about" RL topic?'"
No, of course not. It is very unimportant to note the level of quality of either team nor the relative quality of the home produced players to the players they were playing against.
What is important however is that an NRL fanboy makes it known he believes the NRL to be of better quality than SL.
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| How many of those players are actually from the USA? (genuine question)
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"How many of those players are actually from the USA? (genuine question)'" Probably not that many. As alluded to earlier in the thread, there is a situation in the USA at the moment where the vast majority of domestic players are not being considered for international selection because of a dispute between governing bodies. Hopefully this will be rectified in time for the World Cup.
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| Quote ="headhunter"Probably not that many. As alluded to earlier in the thread, there is a situation in the USA at the moment where the vast majority of domestic players are not being considered for international selection because of a dispute between governing bodies. Hopefully this will be rectified in time for the World Cup.'"
Either way, its great that we are in a situation where RL of this level, is played between these two nations including players picked from the respective national competitions.
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| Quote :db53j2kgHow many of those players are actually from the USA? (genuine question)'" (Jacksonsville)
Mark Offerdahl (Carcassonne)
Danny Howard (Wentworthville Magpies)
Mark Cantoni (Northern Pride)
Joseph Paulo (Parramatta)
Stephen Howard (Tuggeranong Valley, ACT)
Sean Taylor (New York Knights)
Curtis Cunz (Connecticut Wildcats)
Andrew Kneisly (Aston Bulls)
Thats 6 players from the domestic competition which is a great effort.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"Matthew Petersen (Unattached)
Sione Taufa (Maui Voyagers)
Mitchell Stevens (Gateshead Thunder)
Ryan McGoldrick (Castleford)
Michael Garvey (Aston Bulls)
David Myles (Unattached)
David Marando (Belrose Eagles)
Junior Paulo (Penrith)
Apple Pope [c (Jacksonsville)
Mark Offerdahl (Carcassonne)
Danny Howard (Wentworthville Magpies)
Mark Cantoni (Northern Pride)
Joseph Paulo (Parramatta)
Stephen Howard (Tuggeranong Valley, ACT)
Sean Taylor (New York Knights)
Curtis Cunz (Connecticut Wildcats)
Andrew Kneisly (Aston Bulls)
Thats 6 players from the domestic competition which is a great effort.'"
As I've come to expect from any American team there are some brilliant names in there. Curtis Cunz and Apple Pope stand out.
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"Looking at the points scorers for the USA, McGoldrick and Petersen's SL experience didn't contribute. Let's take a look at the players who did contribute all 40 of USA's points yesterday...
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David Marando (Belrose Eagles - NSW Cup & Manly/North Sydney District)
Mitch Stevens (North Sydney Bears - NSWRL)
Mark Cantoni (Northern Pride - Qld Cup, Qld Country)
David Myles (Gold Coast Chargers/Titans, Auckland Warriors, NQ Cowboys)
Danny Howard (Wentworthville Magpies, NSWRL)
Mark Offerdahl (Easts Tigers - Qld Cup)
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Throw in a coach with several years recent NRL experience in Matthew Elliott and it ought to be of no surprise to anyone that the USA beat another team containing 7/8 players with SL experience.'"
Keith, you and your lists eh?
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| Jamacians only had a four day turn around after playing South Africa last Wednesday too. Gotta be a factor.
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