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| pipe down mard.....theres no point sorting something out for next season without thinking of how adding a further 4 teams in 2013 is going to impact it....its gonna take some working out
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| Nigel's got wood would have been a better thread title.
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| Quote ="Starbug"www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/23435/wood-excited-by-championship-plans
Just the usual ' waffle ' , again'" What's wrong with that article?
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| Quote ="Starbug"www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/23435/wood-excited-by-championship-plans
Just the usual ' waffle ' , again'"
I understand your frustration but if you hate RL so much why don't you do something else? Golf?
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| Quote ="Ian 77 Redux"I understand your frustration but if you hate RL so much why don't you do something else? Golf?'"
But he doesn’t hate RL, just the crew that run it.
The bit that’s annoyed me is the Premier Sports update. They (Premier Sports) span it, as if it was a done deal.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"But he doesn’t hate RL, just the way it has evolved from a rose-tinted memory he has of it.'"
Edited for accuracy.
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| Quote ="headhunter"What's wrong with that article?'"
It's full of lots of intelligent sounding words , but tells us absolutely nothing , as usual
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| Quote ="Mintball"Edited for accuracy.'"
What is ' rose tinted ' about wanting to know the make up of the following seasons leagues before the end of the current one , or actually knowing if you are playing for relegation/promotion before the season ends ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"It's full of lots of intelligent sounding words , but tells us absolutely nothing , as usual'" It tells us that there are potentially four new clubs joining the Championships within the next 2 years, and that as a result the immediate make-up of the leagues is still to be decided. I don't know what else you were expecting them to say if things have yet to be sorted out.
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| Quote ="headhunter"It tells us that there are potentially four new clubs joining the Championships within the next 2 years, and that as a result the immediate make-up of the leagues is still to be decided. I don't know what else you were expecting them to say if things have yet to be sorted out.'"
Well the ' Things have yet to be sorted ' tells me they aren't taking the Championships as seriously as they should be
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| Quote ="Starbug"Well the ' Things have yet to be sorted ' tells me they aren't taking the Championships as seriously as they should be'"
What do you want a rash decision or a considered one?
Granted the financial impact of how many clubs will allow for some financial assumptions (something clubs fell foul of this year). That said, surely all clubs are playing to win their respective division and have a good run in the Northern Rail and Challenge Cup or, are they that meticulous at Leigh that they need to know whether they need to aim for 5th or 6th and third or fourth round of the cup?
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| Quote ="Starbug"It's full of lots of intelligent sounding words , but tells us absolutely nothing , as usual'"
So, you know of Paul Cullen then
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| The structure of the championships next season should have been in place before the current season even began - the RFL knew one team would be leaving to join the SL and should have anticipated the team kicked out would want to join the championships
can anyone justify it not being decided yet, if you need a lot of time to decide then start earlier
if you wanted to kill off the second and third tier, the current attitude would certainly help!
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| Quote ="Traffic"What do you want a rash decision or a considered one?
Granted the financial impact of how many clubs will allow for some financial assumptions (something clubs fell foul of this year). That said, surely all clubs are playing to win their respective division and have a good run in the Northern Rail and Challenge Cup or, are they that meticulous at Leigh that they need to know whether they need to aim for 5th or 6th and third or fourth round of the cup?'"
Well considering they haven't made the decision yet , and essentially they have only recently started considering it , they are having to rush into a rash decision , as Hopie said , all this should have been sorted months ago at the start of this season, this isn't about Leigh , this is about all the clubs , and the lack of respect shown these clubs by the governing body
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| Quote ="vikingsmurf"So, you know of Paul Cullen then
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| Quote ="Hopie"The structure of the championships next season should have been in place before the current season even began - the RFL knew one team would be leaving to join the SL and should have anticipated the team kicked out would want to join the championships
can anyone justify it not being decided yet, if you need a lot of time to decide then start earlier
if you wanted to kill off the second and third tier, the current attitude would certainly help!'" Presumably they did not foresee Toulouse leaving the competition, or the problems Crusaders would suffer. If it was as simple as you are making out, obviously things would have been sorted by now, they haven't just not acted for no reason.
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| Quote ="headhunter"Presumably they did not foresee Toulouse leaving the competition, or the problems Crusaders would suffer. If it was as simple as you are making out, obviously things would have been sorted by now, they haven't just not acted for no reason.'"
Well if they didn't for see it who did , Toulouse leaving is an RFL decision ?
Similarily with the Crusaders , you seriously don't think they didn't know the financial position months before the licence decision ?
They hoped that one or two expansion clubs would have financial backing to enable them to join the Championship , it would appear there is. ' interest ' , just no money to back it up
They announced a restructuring in the hope something would turn up , it hasn't
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| Quote ="Starbug"Well if they didn't for see it who did , Toulouse leaving is an RFL decision ?
Similarily with the Crusaders , you seriously don't think they didn't know the financial position months before the licence decision ?
They hoped that one or two expansion clubs would have financial backing to enable them to join the Championship , it would appear there is. ' interest ' , just no money to back it up
They announced a restructuring in the hope something would turn up , it hasn't'" Hang on, you are complaining at them for not announcing the new structure of the lower leagues because they dont have the necessary guarantees in place at the moment, whilst at the same time criticising them for announcing a restructuring without having the necessary guarantees in place at the time?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Hang on, you are complaining at them for not announcing the new structure of the lower leagues because they dont have the necessary guarantees in place at the moment, whilst at the same time criticising them for announcing a restructuring without having the necessary guarantees in place at the time?'"
We don't need a restructure , we just need more clubs , and the current clubs need help , not gimmicks
As I said they announced a restructure in the hope something would turn up , but what they hoped would turn up hasn't , now they haven't enough clubs to restructure , something definate for a changed would be nice
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| Quote ="Starbug"Well if they didn't for see it who did , Toulouse leaving is an RFL decision ?
Similarily with the Crusaders , you seriously don't think they didn't know the financial position months before the licence decision ?
They hoped that one or two expansion clubs would have financial backing to enable them to join the Championship , it would appear there is. ' interest ' , just no money to back it up
They announced a restructuring in the hope something would turn up , it hasn't'" So what would have happened if they had announced a structure based on the assumption that Toulouse would be leaving the Championship and Crusaders would be entering, and then Toulouse had performed better and decided to stay or Crusaders had gone bust and disappeared altogether? Answer: they would have had to scrap the announced structure, we'd be in an argubly worse position than we currently are in and the whole thing would be a complete mess.
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| Quote ="Starbug"We don't need a restructure , we just need more clubs , and the current clubs need help , not gimmicks
As I said they announced a restructure in the hope something would turn up , but what they hoped would turn up hasn't , now they haven't enough clubs to restructure , something definate for a changed would be nice'" You ever wonder why there were no clubs, none at all, none since London Skolars 8 years ago and none in the 108 years before that who wanted to make the jump from the amateur leagues to the semi-pro ones?
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| Quote ="headhunter"So what would have happened if they had announced a structure based on the assumption that Toulouse would be leaving the Championship and Crusaders would be entering, and then Toulouse had performed better and decided to stay or Crusaders had gone bust and disappeared altogether? Answer: they would have had to scrap the announced structure, we'd be in an argubly worse position than we currently are in and the whole thing would be a complete mess.'"
You aren't listening/reading properly , it was the RFL that decided Toulouse wouldn't remain in the Championship , as for the Crusader issue , that is irrelevant , we are discussing new , more clubs , not existing ones ( especially ones that have been doomed from the start ) , they should either have checked up on suitability from the start , or been positive and be prepared to finance a club themselves
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| Quote ="Starbug"You aren't listening/reading properly , it was the RFL that decided Toulouse wouldn't remain in the Championship , as for the Crusader issue , that is irrelevant , we are discussing new , more clubs , not existing ones ( especially ones that have been doomed from the start ) , they should either have checked up on suitability from the start , or been positive and be prepared to finance a club themselves'"
We are discussing more, new clubs, but even you cant be so dumb as to not understand that they will be joining existing clubs and to decide the structure for a league including more, new clubs, you need to know how many old, existing clubs you are starting with.
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| Quote ="headhunter"Presumably they did not foresee Toulouse leaving the competition, or the problems Crusaders would suffer. If it was as simple as you are making out, obviously things would have been sorted by now, they haven't just not acted for no reason.'"
you should set a deadline for clubs to apply, it shouldn't be a month before the end of the season!
you have a mixture of options in mind and then choose one of them depending on the number of applications, it's not difficult
less than a certain number of clubs would have meant one division, more than that means two and various fixture structures could be used to make sure the clubs have enough games to keep the clubs going
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