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| It would seem the RFL have decided that non SL clubs will no longer be allowed to run scholarship programmes , except Widnes
So with no starting point , how exactly is any club able to attempt to bring through junior players of their own ?
Will this also apply to whichever club drops down from SL in 2012 ?
Only conclusion I can make is that this will further weaken heartland clubs when competing for any future SL application against a potential expansion club
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| It's just disgracegful, I am slowly losing faith with RL altogether.
I'm sure some on here will want to see written proof before believing it though!
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| Quote ="Leyther Always"
I'm sure some on here will want to see written proof before believing it though!'"
... and that's wrong because?
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| Why would Championship sides need to have a scholarship programs. The best kids are going to sign for Superleague teams and drop down to Championship academies if they dont make the grade.
The real disgrace is that you are capped to 10 a year on the your scholarship program. Surely if there are 15-20 good players in your area then you should be allowed to take them on.
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| Quote ="Noel Cleal"Why would Championship sides need to have a scholarship programs. The best kids are going to sign for Superleague teams and drop down to Championship academies if they dont make the grade.
The real disgrace is that you are capped to 10 a year on the your scholarship program. Surely if there are 15-20 good players in your area then you should be allowed to take them on.'"
It may come as a BIG surprise but not everyone thinks sooooperdoooooper league is the be all and end all of Rugby League.
Not every kid WANTS or NEEDS to play soooperdoooper league, quite a lot are content to play amateur or semi pro.
Why should that kind of information prevent clubs running whatever system to TEACH/TRAIN youngsters the game.
Any other system smacks of elitism and that is something that used to mark RL as different to a lot of sports.
Sadly only elitism is what the powers that be, see or require and the devil take the hindmost.
This game, that I grew up with and respected for all it's positives is slowly but surely turning away from its roots and the very things that made it the "Greatest Game"
If it carrys on with this kind of elistist thinking all it will suceed in doing is driving kids/people away and then where is the future of the game?
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| Quote ="Noel Cleal"Why would Championship sides need to have a scholarship programs. The best kids are going to sign for Superleague teams and drop down to Championship academies if they dont make the grade.
The real disgrace is that you are capped to 10 a year on the your scholarship program. Surely if there are 15-20 good players in your area then you should be allowed to take them on.'"
To a point I agree , however if clubs are also being ' marked ' on their junior development , how do you ' develop junior talent ' if you are not allowed to have the most junior level of development
As I suggested , it does even out the scoring between heartland and expansion clubs
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| Starbug, it is illogical for the RFL to do this, it seems unlikely, and I've heard it chucked about very recently with absolutely nothing in the way of proof, evidence, even so much as a newspaper report. It seems to have been plucked out of some Leigh fan's .
I don't think it's too much to ask for some evidence and context in this case before we start reacting to this. If Widnes are the only club allowed, why is that? What seperates us from you? Maybe even if there is a grain of truth to it there is more to it that you're making out?
I can't see it being true, and until we have more than just fans on here stating it without anything to back it up I'd suggest it be treated with the amount of respect it deserves. Not that I particularly trust the RFL, I just don't understand why they'd be biased towards my club in particular.
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| Even if it is true, the whole Scholarship/Service Area system should have been scrapped long ago anyway. Replace it with regular competitive games at a representative club level with the best players playing each other for more than just six weeks a year.
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"Starbug, it is illogical for the RFL to do this, it seems unlikely, and I've heard it chucked about very recently with absolutely nothing in the way of proof, evidence, even so much as a newspaper report. It seems to have been plucked out of some Leigh fan's booty.
I don't think it's too much to ask for some evidence and context in this case before we start reacting to this. If Widnes are the only club allowed, why is that? What seperates us from you? Maybe even if there is a grain of truth to it there is more to it that you're making out?
I can't see it being true, and until we have more than just fans on here stating it without anything to back it up I'd suggest it be treated with the amount of respect it deserves. Not that I particularly trust the RFL, I just don't understand why they'd be biased towards my club in particular.'"
Trust me, it's true. I was speaking to the development manager at a CC club about it just yesterday.
I can see both sides of the argument, but I think that of a club can afford to run a scholarship programme, and the standard of coaching and other training is up to scratch, they should be allowed to.
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"Starbug, it is illogical for the RFL to do this, it seems unlikely, and I've heard it chucked about very recently with absolutely nothing in the way of proof, evidence, even so much as a newspaper report. It seems to have been plucked out of some Leigh fan's booty.
I don't think it's too much to ask for some evidence and context in this case before we start reacting to this. If Widnes are the only club allowed, why is that? What seperates us from you? Maybe even if there is a grain of truth to it there is more to it that you're making out?
I can't see it being true, and until we have more than just fans on here stating it without anything to back it up I'd suggest it be treated with the amount of respect it deserves. Not that I particularly trust the RFL, I just don't understand why they'd be biased towards my club in particular.'"
It does sound bizarre. The only reason I could think of for it occuring is if the RFL was funding all the scholarships and was cutting back. It's clearly bonkers to prevent any club - professional or amateur - from running a junoir team.
I'd want to see something in writing from the RFL. This sounds like rhubarb to me.
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| Quote ="tim2"Trust me, it's true. I was speaking to the development manager at a CC club about it just yesterday.
I can see both sides of the argument, but I think that of a club can afford to run a scholarship programme, and the standard of coaching and other training is up to scratch, they should be allowed to.'"
What are both sides to the argument? I want to get to the bottom of this.
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"What are both sides to the argument? I want to get to the bottom of this.'"
I still don't understand how the RFL get any benefit from stopping teams from running and under 18's and scholarships. It's just bizzare and seems to be holding back certain teams junior development for no apparent reason.
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| Quote ="Nozzy"I still don't understand how the RFL get any benefit from stopping teams from running and under 18's and scholarships. It's just bizzare and seems to be holding back certain teams junior development for no apparent reason.'"
That's why it seems far fetched.
Where is the evidence?
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| If a club wants to run a scholarship programme to bring through youngsters in our game then they should be allowed to and that stands for any club. Widnes under 18's have been with the Super League academy for years and are currently the best in the country, im not sure on the rules allowing another club to form in the competition and im not sure enough championship clubs want to run an under 18's to justify forming another division?
No club should be stopped from running scholarships though, the more youngsters playing the game the better.
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| I would be interested to see the proof of this although no reason to believe it is not correct. Its interesting to see posters still wanting to believe the best about the RFL, who frankly have done absolutely nothing in the recent past to deserve such faith...
This seems to more than a blatant case of goalpost moving - if true this is an attempt to pull out the grass roots of the game and cover it with concrete crazy paving - but to what benefit? I just don't see it...
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton":332f96k7That's why it seems far fetched.
Where is the evidence?'" :332f96k7
Sorry Chris , but only evidence I have is what I was told verbally
It was from a current Championship club Chairman [ former chairman of 2 SL clubs and from the Head coach of a current Championship club [ former head coach of 2 SL clubs , the same ones actually
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| Quote ="-VIKINGMAN-"Never trust anyone from lobby land.
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One of them was from Wollongong , is that ok ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Sorry Chris , but only evidence I have is what I was told verbally
It was from a current Championship club Chairman [ former chairman of 2 SL clubs and from the Head coach of a current Championship club [ former head coach of 2 SL clubs , the same ones actually
, sorry but that is all I have , I believe them , maybe that isn't enough for you
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Give me some logic. Give me a reason they've knocked you back. Is it because your entry was cynical and unprepared perhaps? Give me one good reason they would possibly knock you back. Anything that does not amount to "they don't like us".
Lack of evidence would not be good enough for you if Leigh were not involved, it should not be good enough now either.
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| Does this mean the London Skolars will have to change their name
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A London club changing names, isn't that a tradition
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| Help me understand.....what's the difference between a pro club running either their own or attaching themselves to an existing junior club and using that as their academy, and the scholarship programme?
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| Really hope this isnt true. Some of the Championship clubs run very good scholarships and they bring the best local coaches together and local business sponsors training kit etc... so the costs are minimal.
I just cant see this being true. Surely not. If it is im disgusted. Championship clubs expand into areas SL cant and kids there need a carrot. Event those near SL clubs offer an extra band of players a chance. Warren Jowitt had a very good career in SL, and came from Hunslets youth set up.
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