what would yours be for the 4 nations?
1. s.Tomkins
2. t.Briscoe
3. g.Widdop
4. m.Shenton
5. l.Cudjoe
6. l.Pryce
7. k.Eastmond
8. j.Graham
9. j.roby
10. j.peacock
11. g.Ellis
12. s.Burgess
13. k.Sinfield

14. a.Lynch
15. s.Lunt
16. a.Morley
17. s.O'loughlin

so what do you think it has got a mix of youth and experince also a bit of pace.

Thats a rubbish team. Most of those are good players but some of the positional selections are shocking.

At this point I'd go with:

Widdop

Leon Pryce
Shenton
Atkins
Hall

Tomkins
McGuire

Graham
Sinfield
Peacock
Ellis
Burgess
Todd Flanders

Subs:
Roby
J Tomkins
Crabtree
Morley

Pryce
Briscoe
Gleeson
Shenton
Hall
S Tomkins
Eastmond
Graham
Sinfield
Burgess
Ellis
J Tomkins
O Loughlin

Morley
Harrison
Roby
Westwood

and you said my positioning was bad!

also widdop can play centre and tomkins is playing very well at fullback at the moment.

Pretty much all of Pryce's good performances at test level have been while playing on the wing. I've picked McGuire over Eastmond becuase Eastmond has been injured a lot of the season, and McGuire has been in very good form this seasson. Has Widdop played centre at senior level? Is there any evidence to suggest he could play there? Plus we have more options at centre than at FB.

I think Eastmond being injured will be an advantage if he can get back to match fitness by the end of the season, rumours are he'll be back for the playoffs. At least he won't be knackered.

Gareth Widdop

Peter Fox
Leon Pryce
Chris Bridge
Ryan Hall

Sam Tomkins
Kyle Eastmond

James Graham
Kevin Sinfield
Jamie Peacock
Gareth Ellis
Sam Burgess
Sean O'loughlin

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James Roby
Adrian Morley
Joel Tomkins
Eorl Crabtree

That would be my first choice 17. Gareth Widdop is the best option we have at fullback. He at least has some pace, excellent footwork and is a good support player. Peter Fox and Ryan Hall played very well in the Four Nations and deserve to be included. Chris Bridge and Leon Pryce could hopefully offer us some threat out wide. There's no point just going for a defensive option, we have to play some good Rugby League. Chris Bridge can come back in field from time to time and Pryce can at least cause some problems with his footwork and ability to drift in between defenders. Tomkins and Eastmond worked last time - they stay. McGuire is a poor defender at club level and was ripped to shreds at the DW stadium last year. The forwards pick themselves. Lockers is the best 13 in the country. And finally I think the bench is the best we've got. Eorl Crabtree had a fanastic tournament whenever called upon and he for some reason puts a of doubt in the Aussie forwards. Morley is an automatic pick and Roby is a better player than Lunt. Joel Tomkins has been the best back row forward in the league IMO and deserves a spot above Westwood and Harrison.

mine

1. G.widdop
2. T.briscoe
3. L.pryce
4. M.shenton/R.atkins
5. R.hall

6. S.tomkins
7. K.eastmond

8. A.morley/J.graham
9. K.sinfield
10 J.peacock
11 J.tomkins
12 G.ellis
13. S.burgess

14. J.roby
15. J.graham/A.morley
16. G.carvell
17. E.crabtree

or cadoo's 17...

Isn't Bridge out for the season?

1. Gareth Widdop
2. Darrell Goulding
3. Martin Gleeson
4. Leon Pryce
5. Peter Fox
6. Sam Tomkins
7. Kyle Eastmond
8. James Graham
9. Kevin Sinfield
10. Jamie Peacock
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Sam Burgess
13. Sean O'Loughlin

14. Joel Tomkins
15. Adrian Morley
16. James Roby
17. Eorl Crabtree

18. Gareth Carvell
19. Shaun Lunt
20. Ben Westwood
21. Michael Shenton
22. Ryan Hall
23. Richie Myler
24. Andy Coley
25. Mark Flanagan

Widdop
Fox
Gleeson
Shenton
Hall
S Tomkins
Eastmond
Morley
Roby
Graham
Ellis
S Burgess
O'Loughlin

Sinfield
Crabtree
J Tomkins
Peacock

McGuire should never play for England again, how many times do some people want this guy to try and fail at international level. Time to move on to the the younger more enthusiastic halves who dont fear the Aussies.



Made his NRL debut there

there's certain players who should never get anywhere near the squad and although im hoping with this new regime things will change, if some of these players McGuire, Pryce etc are called up then my already waning interest in England RL will come to a stop

Couldnt agree more, its the younger more exciting players that make you want to watch not some of the older tried and failed ones.

im excited about widdop if he gains more experience over the next few years in the storms 1st team he'll be a great asset to England in the world cup as for the 4 nations it will be a good learning curve for him being included in the squad.

1 Gareth Widdop
2 Tom Briscoe
3 Michael Shenton
4 Ryan Atkins
5 Ryan Hall
6 Kevin Sinfield
7 Kyle Eastmond

8 James Graham
9 James Roby
10 Jamie Peacock
11 Gareth Ellis
12 Sam Burgess
13 Sean O'Loughlin

14 Sam Tomkins
15 Joel Tomkins
16 Adrian Morley
17 Eorl Crabtree

18 Leroy Cudjoe
19 Chris Bridge
20 Kevin Brown
21 Andy Lynch
22 Danny Houghton
23 Ben Harrison
24 Joe Westerman

love to see houghton down under but got a feelin he wont make the cut, ben harrison is another who's had a good season and should make the plane.

Tomkins
Briscoe
Gleeson
Bridge if fit
Hall
Pryce
Eastmond
Graham
Sinfield
Peacock
Ellis
Burgess
O'loughlin

Roby
Morley
Langley/Tomkins
Fielden

I think thats about the best team we could put out. McNamara means i have no confidence though.

He debuted against the Warriers in place of Ingliss and had a good solid game. He is replacing Finch at 6 next year when Finch leaves for Wigan.

widdop
briscoe
shenton
bridge
hall

tomkins
eastmond

graham
sinfield
peacock
ellis
burgess
o'loughlin

roby
morley
westwood/tomkins
crabtree

1. Widdop
2. Riley
3. Atkins
4. Bridge (if fit, otherwise Shenton)
5. D. Hodgson
6. Tomkins
7. Eastmond
8. Graham
9. Lunt
10. Peacock
11. Ellis
12. Burgess
13. O'Loughlin

14. Roby
15. Morley
16. J. Tomkins
17. Harrison

18. T. Briscoe
19. Myler
20. Crabtree
21. Coley
22. Wilkin
23. Shenton
24. Pryce

This team for me... the only change I would make is have Lunt in the starting kine up instead of Sinfield. Sinfield is a good player but I think we need more speed from dummy half - Lunt and Roby are the two most dangerous runners in the league from 9 and Lunt's distribution is very good too

It's got me wondering why England don't select Chris Heighington from the Wests Tigers qualifies via father and has said he would play for them if you believe the Aussie papers

cos we don't need another back row forward..we've got plenty...and plenty better than heighington..if he can't make the shower of shi'ite NSW pack....what would he bring to ours??

To be fair to Heighington it's a disgrace he hasn't been selected for Origin... he has been one of the form NSW forwards for a couple pf years

Agree though that he wouldn't add too much to England - would be a squad player in English, probably not the 17 and definitely not the 13