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perhaps instead of doing this:
"Full time professionalism was amazing....the idea that I could be home by 2pm before the kids for a sneaky afternoon nap sounded great."
he should have got off his backside and got some additional qualifications that would make it easier to get a job after retirement.
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Yeah I read that the same way. I know he will have been saying it in jest, but to be honest, he was a bit short sighted to think he'd be in a game as small as ours for life. In fact, I would say he's been lucky. Not many players go straight from playing to coaching full time professionally. There will be hundreds worse off than him.
I think clubs (I know Warrington for one) place quite a high emphasis on player welfare.
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Hull seem to be a good club at looking at the youngsters future, Tom and Jack Briscoe being good examples, insisting they finish their A levels over and above their training at the club.
As for more senior players you cant force someone to do a course, as we all know well, its hard enough to get some so called pros to train.
I worked with Sonny Nickle for a while he took it upon himself to go back to education and study. It was working out for him with a decent job and future.
The help is there but the players have to take some responsibility themselves.
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| Quote ="Wirefan"Yeah I read that the same way. I know he will have been saying it in jest, but to be honest, he was a bit short sighted to think he'd be in a game as small as ours for life. In fact, I would say he's been lucky. Not many players go straight from playing to coaching full time professionally. There will be hundreds worse off than him.
I think clubs (I know Warrington for one) place quite a high emphasis on player welfare.'"
Well then, perhaps when parents of Academy players ask "What about my son's education?" they should change the answer from " He is here to play rugby". Its a short career and education at 17/18 is vitally important and to say such things is totally irresponsible. |
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I held this back last night because I thought I’d be wrong. But the first two post on this thread state otherwise. So I’ll begin.
A few people on this forum will probably have a ‘serves him right’ smugness towards Scott Naylor of which I find a disgrace. But that’s the typical attitude most employed people throw at the unemployed in this country.
Most soon forget (especially the working class) that some people are born into wealthy families and will die having lived a life that didn’t involve going to the job centre a lot all thanks to the good start in life and good support through it.
The unemployed get the bottom end of the support whilst the rich get the top end. When it reality it should be the other way around.
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Damo, shut up and sit down, you're in danger of making sense. Stop it at once.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"I held this back last night because I thought I’d be wrong. But the first two post on this thread state otherwise. So I’ll begin.
A few people on this forum will probably have a ‘serves him right’ smugness towards Scott Naylor of which I find a disgrace. But that’s the typical attitude most employed people throw at the unemployed in this country.
Most soon forget (especially the working class) that some people are born into wealthy families and will die having lived a life that didn’t involve going to the job centre a lot all thanks to the good start in life and good support through it.
The unemployed get the bottom end of the support whilst the rich get the top end. When it reality it should be the other way around.'"
You are unreal. You wont work because they are "dead end" jobs and wont learn a new trade, even when the job centre offer it to you on a plate and you have the gall to say the unemployed get the bottom end of the support? What exactly are you proposing the job centre should do? Offer you a £200k job a year to sit in your bedroom making youtube videos?
The crux of it is, you just cba to work and instead blame it on everyone else. if you want to work, you WILL find work. |
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| Quote ="Codarmysaint"What exactly are you proposing the job centre should do? Offer you a £200k job a year to sit in your bedroom making youtube videos?'"
£200k is an obscene amount and only the insecure would strive for such a wage in my position.
I’m lucky that I’ve got food on my plate, roof over my head and a reasonable (was sharing a £120 bottle of Champaign the other night) social life.
However life still goes unfulfilled all because I’m applying for jobs and not getting them. These aren’t savvy media jobs either. Your bottom end dead ones that you talk of.
The job centre should start providing jobs for those who are terminally unemployed like myself and then we’ll either sink or swim. Everyone who wants to work should work for a reasonable wage.
And I do want to work and how I get the money doesn’t bother me as long as its fulfilling. Getting it from the post office every two weeks isn’t believe it or not! |
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"£200k is an obscene amount and only the insecure would strive for such a wage in my position.
I’m lucky that I’ve got food on my plate, roof over my head and a reasonable (was sharing a £120 bottle of Champaign the other night) social life.
However life still goes unfulfilled all because I’m applying for jobs and not getting them. These aren’t savvy media jobs either. Your bottom end dead ones that you talk of.
The job centre should start providing jobs for those who are terminally unemployed like myself and then we’ll either sink or swim. Everyone who wants to work should work for a reasonable wage.
And I do want to work and how I get the money doesn’t bother me as long as its fulfilling. Getting it from the post office every two weeks isn’t believe it or not!'"
Cant you go back to college? Surely there is a career path you want to do? You are still young. There is plenty you can do with hard work and drive. |
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I’ve arranged an early morning summit at the job centre tomorrow. Crack of dawn I shall be up, shaven and dressed in my Sunday best.
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What, I thought Wigan payed their players a million pounds a week while all the other players in the league were down the pit.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"Going to walk in demanding that I leave with employment.'"
Even if they send you to Glamorgan?
[url=http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/10_04/webgirlsDM2610_800x631.jpgDamo off the dole ........[/url
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Could I refer everyone to this thread ... [urlhttp://viewtopic.php?f=17&t=451989[/url
You might note that it starts in exactly the same way as this one does, same link, same topic, and then veers off on a tangent about how badly done to Damo has been in his life.
Lets hope this one doesn't go the same way.
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When I was 17 (back in '87) I wrote to all the Lancashire professional clubs requesting a trial - I was playing for an unfashionable amateur club with no scouts pitching up so I took some initiative. I thought I was good enough and went on to play at a pretty decent standard
Not one wrote back or got in touch
So... I took my pretty poor A’ Level results and went on to university (well Polytechnic at the time - it was a university when I left)
I was absolutely gutted at the time but looking back on my career and the article listed above I can say now it was one of the best things ever to happen to me!
Life doesn't end at 32 but when you’re 17 it's a difficult message to understand
I still love Rugby League though.... best sport in the world
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I`m actually surprised more SL clubs haven't picked up on the life after RL to tie players to the club long term.
Even if funding a part time education is counted on the cap completing for example a 5 year part time degree could be a reason to stay with a club.
Perhaps a funded business programme etc.
The players could put a small percentage of their wages into a credit union/fund that could help with business start up or purchase at the end of their career.
Or god forbid agents should maybe take a longer term interest in their clients.
Their are players who dont just have an afternoon kip I remember www.burrowphysiotherapy.co.uk/ on boots and all and fielden and his subway shops.
It took me 10 years after uni to get on good "super league" wages and a good percentage of fans wont even hit the 25K mark.
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I`m actually surprised more SL clubs haven't picked up on the life after RL to tie players to the club long term.
Even if funding a part time education is counted on the cap completing for example a 5 year part time degree could be a reason to stay with a club.
Perhaps a funded business programme etc.
The players could put a small percentage of their wages into a credit union/fund that could help with business start up or purchase at the end of their career.
Or god forbid agents should maybe take a longer term interest in their clients.
Their are players who dont just have an afternoon kip I remember www.burrowphysiotherapy.co.uk/ on boots and all and fielden and his subway shops.
It took me 10 years after uni to get on good "super league" wages and a good percentage of fans wont even hit the 25K mark.
I suspect most players will have to accept that they will never earn anything like they did in their playing career, which in terms of career development must hurt more than never having it in the first place. | |
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Quote ="Doseymarker"I`m actually surprised more SL clubs haven't picked up on the life after RL to tie players to the club long term.
Even if funding a part time education is counted on the cap completing for example a 5 year part time degree could be a reason to stay with a club.
Perhaps a funded business programme etc.
The players could put a small percentage of their wages into a credit union/fund that could help with business start up or purchase at the end of their career.
Or god forbid agents should maybe take a longer term interest in their clients.
Their are players who dont just have an afternoon kip I remember www.burrowphysiotherapy.co.uk/ on boots and all and fielden and his subway shops.
It took me 10 years after uni to get on good "super league" wages and a good percentage of fans wont even hit the 25K mark.
I suspect most players will have to accept that they will never earn anything like they did in their playing career, which in terms of career development must hurt more than never having it in the first place.'"
It depends on what you want from life, I would rather spend my heyday 17 - 33/34 lets say, playing professional RL and saving up enough to retrain to do say a trade of some sort - than end up with a pile of cash and been a no mark.
Robbie Paul for instance, played top level RL for his youth and now owns his own pub - i'd settle for that and would prefer it than spending my entire working life poring over facts and figures and then having a bit of money when i'm too old to enjoy it. |
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Even if funding a part time education is counted on the cap completing for example a 5 year part time degree could be a reason to stay with a club.
Perhaps a funded business programme etc.
The players could put a small percentage of their wages into a credit union/fund that could help with business start up or purchase at the end of their career.
Or god forbid agents should maybe take a longer term interest in their clients.
Their are players who dont just have an afternoon kip I remember www.burrowphysiotherapy.co.uk/ on boots and all and fielden and his subway shops.
It took me 10 years after uni to get on good "super league" wages and a good percentage of fans wont even hit the 25K mark.
I suspect most players will have to accept that they will never earn anything like they did in their playing career, which in terms of career development must hurt more than never having it in the first place.'"
It depends on what you want from life, I would rather spend my heyday 17 - 33/34 lets say, playing professional RL and saving up enough to retrain to do say a trade of some sort - than end up with a pile of cash and been a no mark.
Robbie Paul for instance, played top level RL for his youth and now owns his own pub - i'd settle for that and would prefer it than spending my entire working life poring over facts and figures and then having a bit of money when i'm too old to enjoy it. | |
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Interesting read, got nobody else to blame but themselevs though, they must realise that they cant rely on RL for career for ever. Most players earn enough money to put some a side to start a business or re-educate themsleves.
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The key is the academy players. Too many show genuine promise and leave school and do nothing else. Clubs often simply let them do that to facilitate full time training. Any 17 year old would be happy to do that. The onus should be on clubs to insist it doesnt and all academies should employ a part time education and welfare officer. There are plenty of retired teachers who would love to do that. They could work with players after training and mentor their education. The best Head Coaches would also take an interest, some would, some wouldnt.
Im a teacher who has been involved in the game for years and I have had numerous players ring me panicking asking how to become a PE teacher, cos they have been in schools and would like to do that! When the reality of needing a degree and PGCE sets in there is genuine panic. Its awful to see.
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| Quote ="Cheshire Tiger"The key is the academy players. Too many show genuine promise and leave school and do nothing else. Clubs often simply let them do that to facilitate full time training. Any 17 year old would be happy to do that. The onus should be on clubs to insist it doesnt and all academies should employ a part time education and welfare officer. There are plenty of retired teachers who would love to do that. They could work with players after training and mentor their education. The best Head Coaches would also take an interest, some would, some wouldnt.
Im a teacher who has been involved in the game for years and I have had numerous players ring me panicking asking how to become a PE teacher, cos they have been in schools and would like to do that! When the reality of needing a degree and PGCE sets in there is genuine panic. Its awful to see.'"
Which is where hook-ups with local FE/HE institutions come in such as those the Rhinos have with Carnegie for example. Part of the licence process should be for clubs to build these links, and not just for show but to actually give their players at all age levels the opportunity to pick of some skills and qualifications for a life outside sport. |
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Wigan have been pretty good. A few first team players - Pat Richards, Cameron Phelps, Sam Tomkins, Sean O'loughlin are all doing Strength and Conditioning degrees (something like that) with UCLAN (who have a partnership with Wigan).
I think all of the U20's (or at least a selected few) have had some work experience as well in the off season.
Paul Prescott has either got or is in the middle of completing a Law Degree. Clever lad.
Don't Kevin Sinfield, JJB and a few others have degrees?
The onus is on the players to take responsibility for their futures, but clubs should do more to help players out. Some who have been mentioned, Hull FC, Warrington, Wigan and Leeds are doing.
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This is where the NCAA/NFL system works well. Young lads are offered scholarships to attend college. They play college sport and earn there degree etc then on completetion they are drafted it turned out to work.
The rfl needs to have a similar criteria in place for academies. Yes a young lad could earn good wedge playing but it only takes one bad tackle one broken ankle damanged knee etc and it's game over.
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