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www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 ... ew-zealand
agree or disagree? personally, I booed the team off at half time last week - and felt perfectly entitled to, after a pretty pathetic 40 minutes.
also, does Andy have a little man-crush on Danny McGuire???
contender for understatement of the year[i...."even if the evidence of last Saturday and the World Cup would suggest he's not quite at Benji's level of brilliance."[/i
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www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 ... ew-zealand
agree or disagree? personally, I booed the team off at half time last week - and felt perfectly entitled to, after a pretty pathetic 40 minutes.
also, does Andy have a little man-crush on Danny McGuire???
contender for understatement of the year[i...."even if the evidence of last Saturday and the World Cup would suggest he's not quite at Benji's level of brilliance."[/i
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| But when will Wilson [ilay off the sport of RL[/i?
It seems like almost every article he writes is a depressive screed, highlighting the negatives.
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| Quote ="saints35 bulls0"agree or disagree? personally, I booed the team off at half time last week - and felt perfectly entitled to, after a pretty pathetic 40 minutes.'"
I didn't and won't. I don't see what booing does other than demotivate people. The players knew they had a stinker of a first half last week and didn't need reminding of it. What should have happened is we should have recognised that the team needed vocal support and gotten behind them.
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| never boo your own team just dont clap em off. save your booing for the likes of ryan bailey and paul cooke
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| Quote ="St. Chunter"never boo your own team just dont clap em off. save your booing for the likes of ryan bailey and paul cooke'"
what if Ryan Bailey or Paul Cooke were in the England team?
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| If Googled 'article about irony' I would imagine this would be the first link.
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| Quote ="McClennan"I didn't and won't. I don't see what booing does other than demotivate people. The players knew they had a stinker of a first half last week and didn't need reminding of it. What should have happened is we should have recognised that the team needed vocal support and gotten behind them.'"
Spot on.
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| Quote ="McClennan"I didn't and won't. I don't see what booing does other than demotivate people. The players knew they had a stinker of a first half last week and didn't need reminding of it. What should have happened is we should have recognised that the team needed vocal support and gotten behind them.'"
a lot of the feelings were carried over from last year - especially amongst people that I know from the World Cup. 2008 was a disgrace, from all the players and coaching staff - but were told last week that we had learnt the lessons, moved on and various other cliches.
The first 40 mins were just an extension of the World Cup for me - same old failings and an inability amongst the players to "get up for it" (i.e. a lack on interest or motivation).
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| Quote ="McClennan"I didn't and won't. I don't see what booing does other than demotivate people. The players knew they had a stinker of a first half last week and didn't need reminding of it. What should have happened is we should have recognised that the team needed vocal support and gotten behind them.'"
Agreed.
Sometimes I think certain people take a basket of rotten fruit with them just in case!!!
I'm more of the silence is golden type of fan - silence speaks volumes etc.
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| Quote ="saints35 bulls0"what if Ryan Bailey or Paul Cooke were in the England team?'"
We'd be regally fecked.
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| Quote ="saints35 bulls0"a lot of the feelings were carried over from last year - especially amongst people that I know from the World Cup. 2008 was a disgrace, from all the players and coaching staff - but were told last week that we had learnt the lessons, moved on and various other cliches.
The first 40 mins were just an extension of the World Cup for me - same old failings and an inability amongst the players to "get up for it" (i.e. a lack on interest or motivation).'"
Does that mean that we should forget that getting behind the side is more important than booing it?
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| Quote ="saints35 bulls0"a lot of the feelings were carried over from last year - especially amongst people that I know from the World Cup. 2008 was a disgrace, from all the players and coaching staff - but were told last week that we had learnt the lessons, moved on and various other cliches.
The first 40 mins were just an extension of the World Cup for me - same old failings and an inability amongst the players to "get up for it" (i.e. a lack on interest or motivation).'"
And the second 40?
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| Quote ="Catalancs"And the second 40?'"
I applauded them off at the end, due to the increased endeavour, pride and interest shown in the performance.
I am a realist - I know we are going to be the underdogs in these games, and dont expect us to win much. The one thing I do expect to see is Pride.
Pride in the shirt, pride in the players own individual performances. The players should be proud to walk off the pitch and be able to say "I did my best".
After 40mins on Saturday, not one of the England team could say that.
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| Quote ="McClennan"Does that mean that we should forget that getting behind the side is more important than booing it?'"
it could be argued that the 2nd half performance came on the back of getting booed off. Maybe the players finally realised something as they were walking off at half time.
What is the point in clapping and cheering like moronic seals, regardless of what is served up? What will ever change if people dont express their true opinions?
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| Quote ="saints35 bulls0"I applauded them off at the end, due to the increased endeavour, pride and interest shown in the performance.
I am a realist - I know we are going to be the underdogs in these games, and dont expect us to win much. The one thing I do expect to see is Pride.
Pride in the shirt, pride in the players own individual performances. The players should be proud to walk off the pitch and be able to say "I did my best".
After 40mins on Saturday, not one of the England team could say that.'"
Not usre if i agree with that t. briscoe, ellis, shenton, hall and burgess all performed as well as they could for me.
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| Quote ="saints35 bulls0"I applauded them off at the end, due to the increased endeavour, pride and interest shown in the performance.
I am a realist - I know we are going to be the underdogs in these games, and dont expect us to win much. The one thing I do expect to see is Pride.
Pride in the shirt, pride in the players own individual performances. The players should be proud to walk off the pitch and be able to say "I did my best".
After 40mins on Saturday, not one of the England team could say that.'"
what about tom briscoe who chased back greg inglis in a lost cause?
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| If you read various players' autobiographies it quickly becomes clear that league players aren't the most professional or committed when it comes to internationals.
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| The booing I heard was by Bradford fans when they realised who was sitting next to Tony Smith.
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| i like the Lay off England – "southern hemisphere sides are a class apart"
well we have the northern hemisphere and the southern, not to many classes. just a class apart from us.
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| Quote ="saints35 bulls0"it could be argued that the 2nd half performance came on the back of getting booed off. Maybe the players finally realised something as they were walking off at half time.'"
That's not an argument that would hold up in court.
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| Quote ="McClennan"I didn't and won't. I don't see what booing does other than demotivate people. The players knew they had a stinker of a first half last week and didn't need reminding of it. What should have happened is we should have recognised that the team needed vocal support and gotten behind them.'"
well it seemed to work. i am sorry, but from playing the game in my youth, booing motivated you more than walking off at half time with no-one seeming to care and not showing their feelings openly.
I was actually at the bar for the half time whistle as i went down there after 25 mins
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| I don't really agree with the booing. But having said that, I felt like doing the same last year during the World Cup and in the Tri Nations the year before in Aus. I think what gets to me is the big talk so many England players have given in the past, and then hopelessly failed to live up to when it counts.
The comments about SL are spot on in that article. Until we have English players available at most clubs for most positions our strength in depth will remain awful.
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