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| At the end of the BBC story on Leeds' signing of Kyle Amor from Whitehaven is a quote from BBC Radio Cumbria commentator John Cox saying, amongst other things, that in reference to next season ,
Quote The Rugby Football League will be bringing in dual-registration, you can be a team-member in Whitehaven and in Leeds as well at the same time. '"
Has this been announced officially anywhere ?
Link to story [urlhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/super_league/leeds/8128161.stm[/url
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| Championship clubs to become feeder teams for SL clubs? Personally I think it would be a big step forward and give younger fringe 1st team players a better grounding than the current reserve grade system.
Shame SL clubs don't have more money so they could financially support their partners better.
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| We have sort of done this already this season with Gregg McNally. He played for us in January against Halifax then for Haven all year.
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| Quote ="Wadski"We have sort of done this already this season with Gregg McNally. He played for us in January against Halifax then for Haven all year.'"
Isn't that a loan more than dual-reg' ?
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"Championship clubs to become feeder teams for SL clubs? Personally I think it would be a big step forward and give younger fringe 1st team players a better grounding than the current reserve grade system.
Shame SL clubs don't have more money so they could financially support their partners better.'"
It is a good idea but I can see it being very contentious from those who, unlike myself, are sitting on the Super League side of the fence. To many, it will scream out "feeder club".
At present, there isn't a team in Cumbria capable of hosting, and exposing their young players, to a Super League environment.
This sort of arrangement offers talented NL players the opportunities to become full-time pros, improve their skills and improve the talent pool in game generally. Either the kid makes it and goes on to (hopefully) be a success at Leeds and (even more hopefully) England. If he doesn't, he takes a wealth of experience back to Haven.
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| It was announced a few months ago as part of the RFL's restructuring of the development system. The reserve teams are being dumped and the Academy age groups altered. The dual registration means players not in the first team will be able to go and play for a team in the lower leagues. It was generally felt that reserve grade wasn't doing much to develop players as they were just stagnating, but playing against experienced semi-pro players will toughen them up and help them develop.
Plus the C and C1 clubs will get use of talented youngsters they might not usually get hold of.
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| Quote ="nadera78"It was announced a few months ago as part of the RFL's restructuring of the development system. The reserve teams are being dumped and the Academy age groups altered. The dual registration means players not in the first team will be able to go and play for a team in the lower leagues. It was generally felt that reserve grade wasn't doing much to develop players as they were just stagnating, but playing against experienced semi-pro players will toughen them up and help them develop.
Plus the C and C1 clubs will get use of talented youngsters they might not usually get hold of.'"
So is that the third change in three or four years? They haven't a clue what they are doing
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| Quote ="tim791"Isn't that a loan more than dual-reg' ?'"
played for Giants in Jan, Whitehaven in Feb.
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| Quote ="DemonUK"So is that the third change in three or four years? They haven't a clue what they are doing'" The reserves and U18's are being scrapped with a new U20's competition taking there place. There will still be U18's games but not in it's present form it will be more like the foundation games.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"Championship clubs to become feeder teams for SL clubs? Personally I think it would be a big step forward and give younger fringe 1st team players a better grounding than the current reserve grade system.
Shame SL clubs don't have more money so they could financially support their partners better.'"
" Roll up , Roll up , come on down and watch another teams players playing at the LSV,Shay,Cougar park "
Another stupid scheme , why not just kill all the non SL teams off right now and have done with it
As if removing any chance of ever moving up wasn't bad enough , now they want to remove the identity of those clubs as well
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| Quote ="Starbug"" Roll up , Roll up , come on down and watch another teams players playing at the LSV,Shay,Cougar park "
Another stupid scheme , why not just kill all the non SL teams off right now and have done with it
As if removing any chance of ever moving up wasn't bad enough , now they want to remove the identity of those clubs as well
Joke
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You mean people actually go there now to see Leigh players?
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| Quote ="TKOAH"You mean people actually go there now to see Leigh players?
Fools......'"
Oh the irony...
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| Quote ="Wheels"Oh the irony...
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Sing along .....
We're s**t and we know we are.
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| Quote ="TKOAH"Sing along .....
We're s**t and we know we are.
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Or better still
Going down , going down , going down
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| Leeds have being replicating this approach without dual registration for some time, with a number of younger players loaned out to NL and SL clubs.
This is a good step IMO, as its facing the reality of how inadequate the Academy is in developing players. Playing age-group rugby is no subtitute for learning against harder and more experienced opponents. Here in Aus there are feeder competitions like the Queensland Cup where youngsters are exposed to palying with and against very good semi-pros on a weekly basis, and they make the step up far more easily.
From what I've seen there are a large number of kids getting into SL first teams with absolutely appalling basic deficiencies in their game, which I suspect aren't being ironed out because at Academy level they don't need to be.
I understand some of the concerns of NL fans, but wouldn't you like to see the best 18-year olds play for your team for a while? If it's done right it should be a win-win for all concerned.
Having said that, it's also a real indictment of the changes to the reserve structure that were made when they got rid of the A-Teams.
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| Its the way things should have been done for years now.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"
=redFrom what I've seen there are a large number of kids getting into SL first teams with absolutely appalling basic deficiencies in their game, which I suspect aren't being ironed out because at Academy level they don't need to be.
=orangeI understand some of the concerns of NL fans, but wouldn't you like to see the best 18-year olds play for your team for a while? '"
I feel sir there is a slight contradiction in your 2 comments above.
In answer to your question, I think most fans could put up with 1 or 2 loaned players short term, after that it does become a feeder league style feel to it.
Ceratianly I'd much rather my club try recruiting from within and building up its own youth structures and giving those players hope /a chance rather than some kid snapped up as "a excess" by SL clubs.
Perhaps a better idea would be to give the new "franchise" clubs the pick of these youngsters and leave the Championship(s) as a stand alone competiton worth winning in its own right.
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| Just completely unrealistic.
Lower grade clubs in England think they can develop their own players, build them up into stars, they will all stick together and they will get promoted up to SL level and win the SL title and rule all of mankind.
Its a load of rubbish!
Lower grade clubs are just a step on the ladder. Young players dont set their sights on playing for a National League club!
Players come through and move on when they get better.
The reason so many lower grade clubs in England are dying a slow painful death is because they think they are something they will never be. If these clubs realised their place on the ladder and set themselves up where they belong on that ladder, they would be so much stronger and well off.
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| Quote ="The Glorious League Freak"Just completely unrealistic.
Lower grade clubs in England think they can develop their own players, build them up into stars, they will all stick together and they will get promoted up to SL level and win the SL title and rule all of mankind.
Its a load of rubbish!
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Things changed for many in July 08.
I think many lower league fans prefer to see there own/ local players (and not necessarily give a monkeys if the club goes to SL or not), of course players will go for the money, however many fans would rather watch kids from there club play rather than a variety of kids from various SL clubs play for 6 - 7 games or 1 season, the upshot of the club that does that is that it becomes the A Team for various SL clubs (which begs the question why scrap the A team structure) or goes bankrupt as the few fans remaining go to watch the Amateur game.
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The reason so many lower grade clubs in England are dying a slow painful death is because they think they are something they will never be. If these clubs realised their place on the ladder and set themselves up where they belong on that ladder, they would be so much stronger and well off.'"
If the RFL realised that Championship RL if left as a proper stand alone league with each club equal (same imports /full time players / all can be relegated or promoted from Champ 1) could attract fans (not millions but enough to maintain a interest in the game in these towns) then I think they would see some movement.
True this would offer zero straight away to SL and its International teams, however many players playing SL have at some point or other followed a lower league club or played for it (or that towns amateur club) so indirectly its attracting a player pool if not a supporter base (it also gives ex SL players a couple of years footy to play before they retire by stepping down a division).
If the RFL are hellbent on creating a player pool than create a SL "reserve" league structure (that allows all ages) and have them as feeder clubs.
Would probably stand a better chance of getting a few through the gate to watch em play if its there 2nd tier club they are paying to watch.
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| Quote ="The Glorious League Freak":188j0xyiJust completely unrealistic.
:188j0xyiLower grade clubs in England think they can develop their own players,:188j0xyi build them up into stars, they will all stick together and they will get promoted up to SL level and win the SL title and rule all of mankind.
Its a load of rubbish!
Lower grade clubs are just a step on the ladder. Young players dont set their sights on playing for a National League club!
Players come through and move on when they get better.
The reason so many lower grade clubs in England are dying a slow painful death is because they think they are something they will never be. If these clubs realised their place on the ladder and set themselves up where they belong on that ladder, they would be so much stronger and well off.'" criticise Championship clubs for not producing players
I'm sure most Championship clubs dont really want to run reserves given the choice
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| Quote ="The Glorious League Freak"The reason so many lower grade clubs in England are dying a slow painful death is because they think they are something they will never be. If these clubs realised their place on the ladder and set themselves up where they belong on that ladder, they would be so much stronger and well off.'"
Like Hull KR you mean?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Dont forget this is what the RFL have told them they have to do
They [ RFL criticise Championship clubs for not producing players
I'm sure most Championship clubs dont really want to run reserves given the choice'"
Come franchise application time which club do you reckon will get the credit for 'producing' or 'developing' any dual registered players?
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| one day the rfl will astound us all by actually NOT changing the rules of the game. there is no other sport where the rules are changed presumably for the sake of it almost every season.
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