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....for a kick and clap game outside union heartlands against a semi professional side!!! 
www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... fford.html
Crowd didnt look too bad on tele too.
Just shows what ambition the other code has....when we resort to playing semi finals at 14k capacity grounds and internationals at grounds with 24-25k seater stadiums!!!
RU are obviously testing the water for their WC bid in england when they plan to use Old Trafford......but seriosuly why are we not showing this ambition.
If kick and clap can get that crowd in manchester, surely we could get 50k if marketed correctly. Why arent we playing 4 nation games here and at COM staduim and actually trying to develop the game.
Seriously fear for RL in the next few years if the short sighted fools who run our game continue to run it in the same way!! In union get the world cup in 2015 packing out soccer grounds in the process we could find ourselves miles behind them. We need to act now...and need to start actually selling international games |
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....for a kick and clap game outside union heartlands against a semi professional side!!!
www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... fford.html
Crowd didnt look too bad on tele too.
Just shows what ambition the other code has....when we resort to playing semi finals at 14k capacity grounds and internationals at grounds with 24-25k seater stadiums!!!
RU are obviously testing the water for their WC bid in england when they plan to use Old Trafford......but seriosuly why are we not showing this ambition.
If kick and clap can get that crowd in manchester, surely we could get 50k if marketed correctly. Why arent we playing 4 nation games here and at COM staduim and actually trying to develop the game.
Seriously fear for RL in the next few years if the short sighted fools who run our game continue to run it in the same way!! In union get the world cup in 2015 packing out soccer grounds in the process we could find ourselves miles behind them. We need to act now...and need to start actually selling international games | |
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It would be easier to sell internationals if they were actually competative. The international game in union is far superior everywhere in the world, yesterday the Wallabies got 39,688 against the Barbarians in Sydney.
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| Quote ="Bondi_Warrior"It would be easier to sell internationals if they were actually competative. The international game in union is far superior everywhere in the world, yesterday the Wallabies got 39,688 against the Barbarians in Sydney.'"
tbf though its easier to be competative in RU......skill factor is less, ball is out of play massively more, you can play for penalties and if you get them can easily outscore a team who runs in a few tries on the back of kicks at goal etc. Unfortunately we cant do much about that, but we can promote our game better at an international level instead of showing lack of ambition like we currently do!! |
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Without being a cock about it, I am genuinely baffled watching Union and its appeal.
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Tickets were £1 for U-16's.
Plus they have lackeys desperate to praise their awful sport in the media no matter what drivel is served up.
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| Quote ="andyed-wiganrl"tbf though its easier to be competative in RU......skill factor is less, ball is out of play massively more, you can play for penalties and if you get them can easily outscore a team who runs in a few tries on the back of kicks at goal etc. Unfortunately we cant do much about that, but we can promote our game better at an international level instead of showing lack of ambition like we currently do!!'"
Mate i agree with you, i cant even stand Union. I get so bored trying to watch, and even more baffled how that can be more popular than league. But the fact remains that International league is unfortunatley not competative and wont be for a very long time. |
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It's about time the RFL took a chance of one of these big grounds again and tried to get a big crowd on by marketing it well and making it affordable.
If we played the Aussies there with tickets no more then £20 for adults and £5 for under 16's and deals on for the tax dodging students of Manchester and the local areas we surely could get at least 45-50,000 on.
Maybe i'm dreaming.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"It's about time the RFL took a chance of one of these big grounds again and tried to get a big crowd on by marketing it well and making it affordable.
If we played the Aussies there with tickets no more then £20 for adults and £5 for under 16's and deals on for the tax dodging students of Manchester and the local areas we surely could get at least 45-50,000 on.
Maybe i'm dreaming.'"
Not dreaming at all mate....but that would be too much sense for the RFL  |
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| Quote ="andyed-wiganrl"Not dreaming at all mate....but that would be too much sense for the RFL
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And if it fails, and the crowd doesn't turn up?
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"It's about time the RFL took a chance of one of these big grounds again and tried to get a big crowd on by marketing it well and making it affordable.
If we played the Aussies there with tickets no more then £20 for adults and £5 for under 16's and deals on for the tax dodging students of Manchester and the local areas we surely could get at least 45-50,000 on.
Maybe i'm dreaming.'"
Your in never never land unfortunatly. International Rugby Union can do this due to its massive popularity which hasnt just sprung up overnight. Its been getting national exposure regulary for years with the six nations on the bbc and while its outside the union heartlands there is still masses of people playing union at clubs and schools in the north of england. |
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There were never 40,000 at OT. Look at the video/pictures from the game.
Have spoken to a couple of mates who were at the game and they said it was probably more like 30,000.
Quid a ticket certainly helps, but I'd say that for a 'mainstream', internationally recognised sport the crowd was a little disappointing.
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a recent union international game here got half the TV viewers a normal NRL club game gets every week.
i watched the game and it was awful. spent 30 - 40 mins laughing at how bad the sport is.
weve got nothing to fear from that t**d. of a sport.
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| Quote ="Catalancs"There were never 40,000 at OT. Look at the video/pictures from the game.
Have spoken to a couple of mates who were at the game and they said it was probably more like 30,000.'"
They will have counted the attendance in the same way the overwhelming majority of major sporting events do - how many tickets were sold.
Check the crowd at any number of sporting "sell outs" and "capacity crowds". There will be empty seats where people who have bought tickets don't turn up for whatever reason. |
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| Quote ="dally messenger"a recent union international game here got half the TV viewers a normal NRL club game gets every week.
i watched the game and it was awful. spent 30 - 40 mins laughing at how bad the sport is.
weve got nothing to fear from that t**d. of a sport.'"
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| Quote ="Bondi_Warrior"It would be easier to sell internationals if they were actually competative. The international game in union is far superior everywhere in the world, yesterday the Wallabies got 39,688 against the Barbarians in Sydney.'"
I see your point Bondi Warrior...
That was down to the wire that Barbarians game..
55-7 I think the score was....
Can't see it being much closer this Wannabees vs Italy match at Canberra.. |
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| Quote ="coastbloke"I see your point Bondi Warrior...
That was down to the wire that Barbarians game..
55-7 I think the score was....
Can't see it being much closer this Wannabees vs Italy match at Canberra..'"
Easy mate, im not a Union fan, in fact i hate it. My point was that International Union is more competative and thats fact, and all you got was a nothing game to throw back at me. Your delusional if you dont think International union is more competative. |
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I too am baffled why union is a successful spectator sport, but the level of competition between the home and 6 nations is something that RL can only dream of at the moment.
Not to mention Aus, NZ, S Africa, Argentina, Fiji etc etc
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Despite it not being such a great spectator sport there are people in power behind the game, people with money pushing it. The RFU getting in peoples faces all the time by playing so many games in different places.
Not to mention the 7s tournamnt which goes on half the year with countries that aren't all that great at the 15 aside version getting much exposure, countires like Kenya, not to mention places like Fiji and Samoa who have 7s tradition.
But the heart of union is their international game.
England winning a few games might actually get more people to games just to see their country winning at whatever sport.
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They don't have lazy fans who won't go to games! There are enough RL fans in Nth of England/Sudney to easily get 50-80,000 crowds but they won't go to internationals. Shame but there you go, we reap what we sow.
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| Quote ="BigRedV"I too am baffled why union is a successful spectator sport, but the level of competition between the home and 6 nations is something that RL can only dream of at the moment.
Not to mention Aus, NZ, S Africa, Argentina, Fiji etc etc'"
the problem is RL in england has been neglected for too long, and only with SL are the right steps being taken
RL has destroyed union in australia and is now doing a good job in new zealand.
a vibrant SL competition would wipe union in england as well. |
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But lets face it there are only 3 international teams at a level to form a comp, and 1 of those is miles ahead of the other 2 despite losing the world cup and the less said about England the better. In order to have an international game you need a good amount of teams that can compete against each other. Who other than England and NZ can Australia realistically play against, and even those two wont offer too much.
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New Zealand and Australia lead the way.
Fiji, Tonga and Samoa behind them.
PNG at full strength, then a bit of a gap.
Ireland and Scotland
After that the quality falls right away, your getting in the Welsh, English and the French.
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| Quote ="The Glorious League Freak"New Zealand and Australia lead the way.
Fiji, Tonga and Samoa behind them.
PNG at full strength, then a bit of a gap.
Ireland and Scotland
After that the quality falls right away, your getting in the Welsh, English and the French.'"
 Come on mate England as bad as they are, are still the 3rd best nation. I would say NZ and Australia lead the way, id say Australia lead the way and NZ are way behind (bar that awesome world cup win), and England are that far behind they cant even see them anymore. |
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| Quote ="BigRedV"I too am baffled why union is a successful spectator sport, but the level of competition between the home and 6 nations is something that RL can only dream of at the moment.
Not to mention Aus, NZ, S Africa, Argentina, Fiji etc etc'"
The six home nations? Italy are a bit off of the other 5 and when they first came in were far from convincing. Fair play to the IRB though for sticking with them. Hopefully the RLIF will do the same with France and other countries.
I wouldn't include Fiji in that list either. Argentina have made massive strides towards the leading union nations, but for me there are still only 3 teams who could realistically win a union world cup if it was played tomorrow. |
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| Quote ="Bondi_Warrior"icon_lol.gif Come on mate England as bad as they are, are still the 3rd best nation. I would say NZ and Australia lead the way, id say Australia lead the way and NZ are way behind (bar that awesome world cup win), and England are that far behind they cant even see them anymore.'"
Hang on, I know it is hard for Aussies to give the Kiwis credit but in the last three tournaments:
NZ has one two and lost one in extra time. How can you say they are not the Number 1 national team? Yes they lose one off meaningless games mid season but when it comes to putting silverware in the cabinet in recent years it is currently:
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Come on mate England as bad as they are, are still the 3rd best nation. I would say NZ and Australia lead the way, id say Australia lead the way and NZ are way behind (bar that awesome world cup win), and England are that far behind they cant even see them anymore.
