Simply because its is been played in England meaning that the Aussies don’t like playing over here and that we can beat NZ over here. Same happens in Australia where England players don’t like to play so the same goes for Aussie players in England.

Its happened in the world cup and it happened in the world club challenge.

I just hope that one day players will drop the whole international ignorance stuff so that we can finally see who is the best team in the world. But for this year an England win will do nicely in the Tri Nations.

But the aussies always win on british soil also

...surely you can't be picking fault with Damo!...he's infallible

it's the FOUR NATIONS

England couldn't beat an egg.

England has a decent chance of winning the 4 nations.

We were rubbish in the World Cup but the criticism has been hysterical and over the top





We can bounce back

No.

No you dont.

Of course not, but it's also the 4 nations





In all seriousness, there was truth in what he was saying...even if he didn't understand why he was sayign it



There is no coincidence that the England team made up of Saints/Leeds players failed. Both teams play with speed around the ruck and gain momentum that way, playing under australian conditions with the grapple doesn't allow for this.

Under 'our' conditions I think we could turn them over, depends how the convicts adapt and they usually adapt well unlike ourselves. It'll be tight.

Be interesting to see if we adopt NRL rules in SL as it'll turn the competition on it's head.

I can see what your saying there. Must admit I'd like to see our ptb's as slow as in the NRL to encourage smarter play from the half-backs, whether any of the current crop could cope is the question. It may take years for clubs to bring some through that would be up to scratch.

Yep, our half backs would be half backs again, it'd also benefit Wigan's style of play as well

I understand the point you're making but I disagree.




The fact that Leeds and Saints are so much better than the rest is why they can play that way. If they regularly came up against teams that can match them for skill and athleticsm you'd need more creativity to break them down.



Lack of strength in depth is the issue IMO, not the speed of the PTBs. Leeds and Saints can break teams down without having to do anything great

Yes thats why Saints / Leeds play that way but that style of play will never have worked in the world cup due to the grapple tackle, the aussies only had 'our' ref once and look what that threw up.

Yep lack of depth is a major probs which relates to other issues we have in our game, but it was still the style of play we struggled with. As has been mentioned our half backs were clueless as they are used to playing with more momentum. I think this years tournament will close.

you could keep trying too win a test series by scooting

. again

Well thats pretty much my point, I can't understand why we have different rulings and interpretations. They need to bang their heads together and sort it out!!

I still believe its a mental thing, we don't have the belief that we can beat them. We look upon them as super-humans. The New Zealanders don't look upon them like that. New Zealand beat them more often than us, and we seem to have a 50/50 record against the kiwis. That tells me its all in the head.

so do i dougy....our players need a sports shrink more than anything

So do I, but I'd take it further to the entire country. There's so much negativity, self-deprecation and lack of confidence. People think that because we haven't won a series for 30 odd years, we won't win the next one. Shouldn't everyone believe the law of averages. Our turn next.

Yeah, i always thought this of our football clubs in Europe, for years we didn't believe we could compete with these big names like Real Madrid, Barcelona and AC Milan, but as soon as an awful Liverpool side won in 2005, it give the rest belief, and since we've had 4 of the last 6 finalists.

I'm hoping this New Zealand victory will help us believe.

OMG, are you honestly that stupid. Did you watch the World Cup? In fact, have you watched any game England/GB have played in over the last 30 years?

You're not close, in fact you are getting worse. The English game is dying!

You cant win at home.

You cant win away.

You cant win with an Australian ref.

You cant win with an English ref.


Just waht type of advantage do you want to be in the ideal position to win a game???





You are crap, thats the bottom like.

I mean, Paul Wellens, Lee Smith an JJB.....please, your test players wouldnt make park footy sides over here.

If that was the case we might have been in with a shout for the world cup, but sadly the law of averages doesn't apply, and indeed never will apply when we have a crap coach and some crap players.

mentaly ill thingie

all thats in the head .is too scoot . SL scoot league

Mental issues are another problem, Andrew Jones was amazed at the attitude of his fellow Warrington players when the dressing room decided that they would put on a good show against one of the top teams. He had to to tell they were going to win, not put in a decent show.

To be honest the team that has the least amount of injuries of star players and gels the quickest, will win the Quad Nations.

You will only have to win two games to make the final, so France will be an easy match, then win one more game.