and the championship clubs, Nigel Woods powerbase. They also voted for this. The SL clubs have only voted for a reduction in the number of clubs, not that it would be done by relegation, nor a return to P+R and only when extra money was thrown at them.

But hey, in two years we can maybe go through 23 rounds of Leigh putting no points on the board in front of a mostly empty stadium instead of London and that makes everything A-OK for Starry

Love how Championships clubs have suddentky become so powerful that they shape the future of SL. You're a bellend Smokey. The failure of SL is nobody's fault but Super League clubs. Go and rant at Bradford and Wakey for not making it work.

Championship clubs arent shaping the future of SL, the RFL are. The RFL's current powerbase is with the championship clubs. Hence there being so much friction between a lot of SL clubs and the RFL. And SL hasnt failed. Some clubs have. But SL hasnt.

And i dont blame the championship clubs for pushing for P+R, the vast majority of them are nowhere near good enough to get into SL any other way, to them being a laughing stock in SL like London is better than being a top championship side. I dont know why they value the lower leagues so little but they clearly do. I blame the RFL for securing their own position instead of doing what is good for the game. This season, the implosion at the bottom of SL is a consequence of those actions and those consequences may only be affecting Bradford and Wakefield and London now, but that will spread and more clubs will suffer the same way and a huge gulf will open up.

The only negative for my club will be that people will stop buying season tickets as the season sees such a large portion turn into a procession. We get to see a lovely glimpse of it this week as barely half the normal crowd turn up to watch a walkover at headingley in the challenge cup. But we will largely be sheltered from the destruction wrought by relegation.

What complete garbage, Nigel Woods ' powerbase ' ?



Yes they voted for it, after the SL clubs had decided on it

So if you wish to reduce the number of clubs in SL, how exactly would you suggest they do it, without relegating somebody to the Championship?

Losing it

Explain how exactly the ' powerbase ' is with the Championship clubs?

Explain how exactly the ' powerbase ' is with the Championship clubs?

It's there in black and white. Carter wants 17k to attend. The capacity is only 6k. The chairman doesn't therefore know the capacity of the ground. Alarm bells at that one!

The rumour going round yesterday was that kirmond was playing poorly due to him selling a kidney. To pay for tickets to Barnsley metrodome given that the council have told the club they can't do their post match swims in Pugneys anymore. Sorry state of affairs!

No the SL clubs didnt, they voted on the number of clubs in SL. As part of the SL agreement with the RFL, the SL clubs control how many clubs are in SL, the RFL the process for deciding which ones.

If you can't think of any other way of deciding which 12 clubs were in SL other than relegating the bottom two you arent 'losing it' you have 'lost it'.

I still cannot see how a lower division team with very limited turn around time can hope to compete in whatever form of competition following a promotion. I hear rumours that some championship teams will have a slightly higher salary cap but how will that work? I look forward to seeing how it all pans out.

look at the RFL constitution and how an RFL leadership team could survive and push through what they want by relying on a very small amount of SL clubs and the lower league clubs. A situation exacerbated by having 2 or 3 SL clubs not voting.

[iI think most informed observers recognise that the last few months have been more about power and influence for some leading clubs than a reasonable criticism of actual performance by the governing body. It is not a coincidence that this series of attacks on the RFL has occurred since the publication of the Policy Review, which promoted a whole game solution for all levels of the sport to work together collectively. [/i Nigel Wood on SL Clubs criticism of his leadership

Where is our Kerry Packer when we need one?

Smokey, Bradford should have lost their license long ago, that is where licensing fell down because some clubs were untouchable.

Bradford failed, the shame for Bradford fans is that the demise has been so long and drawn out, a sudden fall would have been kinder and better in the long run.

Even Crusaders would have been passed as fit for another three years had they not done the decent thing and stood down.

With regards Leigh getting spanked every week if they win promotion, you mean like Widnes in the first year of their licence? At least after 22 league games they will have a chance of staying up via the middle 8 and gradually get stronger, year on year like Widnes did.

I suggested some time ago that maybe in hindsight Bradford and Wakefield didn't deserve licences but as no one in the championship deserved one either the RFL could have left it as it was? Who knows.

Anyway this could get tasty now with agar walking out on Wakefield. Aparantly Carter let his tyres down after agar got into carter's iPad and wrecked the house he was building on mind craft.

What a world we live in. Now carter is trying to sign 1D as the pre match entertainment for the London game based on his ludicrous and impossible attendance projections.

The big mistake was to expand to 14 at the same time as implementing franchising. It allowed those with vested interests and those wanting P+R for their own reasons to conflate the problems of expanding the league with any changes from franchising.

Had we stayed at 12 we would have had a couple of clubs knocking on the door and should a club have failed or struggled then there would be clubs ready to replace them.

One of the reasons Wakefield, Crusaders and Bradford continued in SL is that there was nobody ready to come in.

Widnes got stronger because they were given room to grow. Room that wont be available ot others. Widnes had time to prepare for SL meaning they did better than most relegated sides but still finished bottom. Whoever comes up will have a far more difficult time than Widnes did.

The problem with franchising is it wasn't working, great in the NRL, but doesn't work here, simple.

Widnes were given time to grow. Yes, first year terrible, second year not so good, third year competitive.

Say Leigh make it into Super League in 2016 year, first year terrible, survive the middle 8, second year not so good, survive the middle 8, third year competitive?

Possible? Yes. Probable? Who knows.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh deary deary me!

Making into SL is going to be extremely difficult in the first place, any team not in the top league will have half the salary cap available and only a proposed maximum of £500k central funding compared to SL funding of £1.8m. In 2015 they will also be up against 2 relegated teams who get a parachute payment greater than any Championship club get from central funds...

I know it's pathetic.

Agreed!

I'm sure you're capable of better!

no it doesnt, even a fan of another club i can tell it a side swipe at 'fans' who think they know best! if you really think the wakey chairman states that your a fool!

He is an embarrassment, seen some of stuff he puts on Wakey board, surprised he's not been banned from there yet.

I'll tell you what's embarrassing - standing by while another club goes to the wall- again!

We already know tht carter is putting his house up as a guarantee to borrowed money and he's now asking for attendances three times that of the capacity of the ground.

When will people realise that you need to cut your cloth accordingly?

You reap what you sow!

Classic stuff!