The game showed brilliantly the pros and cons of having Hock in your team. Devastating ball runner, but thick as two short planks. Quite why he was even bothering to try and get one over on LMS at that scoreline and point in the game I have no idea. All he needed to do was point to the scoreboard and laugh instead of starting or at least encouraging the start of a fight.

Hock was sent off for what has happenned in RL since the game started - a niggle in the scrum between two props results in a few punches attempting to be thrown.

Most of the time a penalty is given and the players told to calm down. Yellow cards at most to take the heat out.

To give only one a red seems slightly OTT - and probably down to Hock's reputation.

To then be banned for it is way OTT.

Hock and LMS weren't responsible for the brawl that errupted afterwards. Magennis was the player who then threw the next one - the majority of the blame for the brawl lies with him - otherwise it was just two props having a bit of a dust up.

Either way - if thaler had given 4 yellow cards no-one would be having this debate, and it completely takes away from where the real focus of the game should be - Wigan spanking Saints.

"Better to remain quiet and be thought an idiot, than to type something and prove it"

You had been already buried. Stains were the only team with a reason to get nasty and niggly. Lets not forget, we can only comment on what we saw, cameras don't always confirm a try for example. Yes we can have "benefit of the doubt", but can any of us truely say we know exactly what happened in minites and seconds leading up to the incident. You seem to speak with great authourity Saddo, but i don't recall seeing you on the pitch!! Or maybe you were wearing a Wellens mask, as a soon to be retired centre ran away from a, should be retired fullback.

How good was the touch judge's take on proceedings?

"That Magennis copped him with a right beauty"

Gold.

LMS is a wind-up merchant, he knew what he was doing with Hock, not that there is anything wrong with that. If Hock is serious about playing against the Aussies he needs to grow up because that will be going on in every scrum. As for Magenniss and Tuson, bit of biff, quite entertaining.

C'mon people...For chrissakes.


Its the ultimate on-pitch rivalry outside SOO....Skints onto yet another hiding....Bit of sledging going on.....And a top bit of biff!
Everything a proper derby game should be in Rugby League. God help us all, if our sport is forced to become as boringly sanitised of passion as the roundball game nowadays.
Thaler wanted his moment in the headlines, and completely ruined the game as a spectacle.
Mard @rse decision showing 3 reds, imho.

I'm sure all the Leeds fans watching this will have been delighted. Hock has been in outstanding form and would certainly have caused Leeds some problems. It looks like he'll be watching this one from the stands. Stupid boy!!

You are so critical of others views and tell people to watch the incident again but you seem to not understand what started the incident in the first place... which is obvious to me!

It was not 50/50 headbanging in the scrum, it was numpty Hock who decided, for some reason only known to himself and his few remaining brain cells, to try and take the head from LMS at the scrum. Hock is clearly trying to unlawfully take the outside head at a Saints head and feed, and LMS is quite entitled to try and take the outside head. It then turns into hang bags as Hock continues to dip his head under LMS's to take the outside head and LMS, quite rightly, keeps trying to take it back. When both props then decide enough is enough and stand, it is Hock who takes hold of LMS and starts throwing the punches.

LMS does not do a great deal wrong IMO other than stand up to Hock's stupidity in trying to take the head. Hock quite rightly saw a card, the colour of which is up for debate, but equally I think Hock's actions are worthy of at least a one to two match suspension.... I think LMS will be playing at the weekend and also rightly so!

I think you should take another look!

Lee Mossop: Rule: 15.1(a) Detail – Punching Grade B MRP - Referred to tribunal (1-2 matches)

Chris Tuson: Rule: 15.1(a) Detail – Punching - Sustained Grade C MRP - Referred to tribunal (2-3 matches)

Gareth Hock: Rule: 15.1(a) Detail – Punching Grade B MRP - Referred to tribunal (1-2 matches)

Shaun Magennis: Rule: 15.1(a) Detail – Punching – Violent/Sustained Grade D MRP - Referred to tribunal (3-5 matches)

Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook: Player becomes involved in confrontation with opponent but does not throw punches. MRP - NFA

That's all I can see at the minute!

My prediction -

Lee Mossop: 1 match

Chris Tuson: 3 matches

Gareth Hock: 2 matches (although I think it might only be 1... lets see!)

Shaun Magennis: 4 matches (if they give Tuson 3... if they give Tuson only 2 then I think Magennis will only get 3)

LMS has no case to answer... which is obvious to the unbiased!

Problem is that British league is too influenced by the sport of football, and their over-reactive, think-of-the-children attitudes are infecting our game.

The biff puts nobody off the game. State of Origin is the most watched League game in the world, is that coincidence? I don't think I've seen any fact-based argument for the odd punch-up holding back the sport. It's a claim that people make, but never put weight to.

I also think it hurts us internationally, because when the pressure cooker is turned up our players and fans alike look to the referees to win us the game and referee as soft as they do in SL games, which isn't going to happen.

In the NRL if a minor dust-up like that had 3 players red carded, in a world class derby game of all places, the media and fans would explode with anger and the referee would probably be sent back to reserve grade. I've heard commentators blow up when players are sin binned for a scrap( storm vs dragons- the biff is back, on Youtube)

I don't even believe a red card would have been shown in rugby yawnion, the sport where they eat prawn sandwiches and Pâté on toast at half time

This is where the whole disciplinary system is flawed, at least in terms of the length of bans. Rangi Chase elbows Tangi Ropati, breaking his jaw and ruling him out for months: no on-field action, 3 match ban. Heath L'Estrange spear tackles Jamie Peacock and drops him right on his head, resulting in him leaving the field: John Bateman gets sent of by mistake, 1 match ban. Chris Tuson gets punched from behind and retaliates in kind : straight red card and probable 2-3 match ban. How is that fair?

That's all very nice but I was talking to those people who were wailing about Hocking 'nutting' LMS, or Wigan players holding LMS while Hock laid into him, or Wiganers holding Magennis, or Tuson windmilling all & sundry. It simply didn't happen.

What you describe is what props being props. They try and sneak an advantage, get one over on their opposite number, steal the head, bang heads, etc. In a heated game the scrum is a far from an 'uncontested' place to be.

Yes, in this case Hock started the chain of events. I've not said he didn't. What I did say was at no point did he "nut" anyone, as he was being accused of.

I think you're the one who should take another look. LMS pushes Hock's head to the outside of the scrum and Hock packs down, as does LMS. He then tries to get his head back on the outside, presumably because he realised his mistake and then walks forward into Hock.
It all breaks up, LMS sticks his head in again and then Hock stupidly loses his rag.

It was LMS who pushed Hock's head into the wrong position and then tried to get it back. It's blatantly obvious if you watch it clearly.

Hock was unfortunately daft enough to get wound up by it.

Think thats roughly fair, although i think the Mossop one is harsh as Magennis was still going nuts at that time. Mcllorum should be banned, don't see much of a difference between his and Browns high shot and also the dangerous tackle. Wilkin also lucky for his spate of high shots.

Also nice to see the Leeds biased with Webb now having no ban. Ablett, Sinfield and now Webb, makes you wonder

Love a good dust up

10 minutes would have sufficed

Red should be for serious foul play

I have noticed that by some of the comments you put on our forum.

My thoughts exactly. If the big lads fancy having a straightener just let them get on with it then send the culprits for 10 minutes to calm down. It's come to something when you can get banned for 3 matches for standing up for yourself after getting cracked from behind. Any rugby league player worth his salt would have reacted exactly the same as Chris Tuson if he found himself in that situation. I'd have been disappointed if he hadn't!

Not happy at all. They should ban Tomkins, Charnley, Finch, Carmont and Lima as well.
Given current form, we might then be in with at least half a chance

The voice of reason and the post nearest the truth.

Tuson threw a flurry of punches,sustained,as the charge says. Whatever magennis did it doesn't entitle tuson to start chucking his fists about thats fair enough to me.
Hock and lms had a set to at the scrum forming but then hock grabs lms and starts raining blows on him,thats fair enough too,magennis threw a haymaker from behind,fair enough,mossop then floors magennis, fair enough,lms did nothing more than wind hock up therefore no charge,all are pretty fair to me.
I really cannot see how wigan fans can defend hock and tusom as the victims,also mcilorum and wilkin didn't come up smelling of roses in the moments after the brawl

You call that assessment neutral? Methinks obvious anti-Wigan agenda is obvious. Magennis cheap shots Tuson who had his back turned and you criticise Tuson. Both Hock and LMS were in each others faces, and it's only when they stand up and LMS shoves his head into Hocks face that Hock starts throwing punches (not that that makes it ok, just that you seem to think Saints can do no wrong). As for Wigan players holding LMS while Hock punches him, pull the other one, it's got bells on it.

Just as a query.

Hock got whacked in the first half, hence the bloody nose.

Who was it that did it ?

Crank. It's not about Leeds you fool, take your beating like a man and stick on topic.
I've nothing against Hock, he gets people through the turnstiles and shows real passion. I don't think it was conclusive what happened to start it between him and LMS but Hock certainly finished it. Magennis acted in a cowardly manner, squared up, didn't fancy it, then threw a cheap shot. Mossop was also a cheap shot coward, had plenty of Saints to choose from but hid behind his mates before throwing a sucker punch at someone not looking. Most of the Saints team were cowards, watching Wigan players hold their teammates while they got paggered. Tuson reacted to the cheap shot from Magennis, I've no problem with that. The fight summed the game up really, Wigan fancied it a bit more.