They'll be unbeatable with the quality of the last two(2) signings.

It will never be settled while they bring players in 10 times more salary than others and then ask for others to take ridicules pay cuts to bring more greedy barstewards

Can't wait to see the reaction on the pitch

You could not be more wrong....

SKY sell to the English market and need 9 English clubs minimum for there to be a TV deal as McManus said. In North America there needs to be at least 5-6 North American clubs for a TV deal as Mr. Perez said, France TV has lost interest with one SL club and may not be bothered if there are just two so I am afraid it's a case of thinking that what you personally dream is exciting, is not at all exciting to Broadcasters.

Broadcasters need schedules to have enough content for their particular markets. Fans want to see their clubs play their rivals. Your pretty much out on your own which is fine but tens of £Millions won't be paid to satisfy your dream.

But we can have expansion and still retain nine (9) English clubs.

[iWigan, St Helens, Warrington, Leeds, Bradford, Hull FC, Hull KR, Castleford, Huddersfield[/i

Eventually add the seven (7) non-English expansion clubs:

[iCatalans (now), Toronto (now), Toulouse (2021), New York (2023), Ottawa (2023), Boston (2025), Philadelphia (2025)[/i.

Then you have a sixteen team Super League.

The north American teams will have to survive on the generosity of wealthy owners until 2025, when they will have enough teams as a basis for a TV deal.

No we don't.... Not enough quality players. When we had 14 clubs in SL London under McDermott could not get decent players from the M62 to play for the Bronco's. At that time Wakefield were letting in 40 points a match with crowds tumbling. London lost all but one game letting in 46 points a match playing one game in front of only 1,000 fans - against Catalans Dragons. SL thought about dropping to 10 clubs before these disasters, but quickly went to 12. Last year SL signalled they wanted to go to 10 clubs and put that to a vote the Championship clubs blocked. They most likely will go to 10 with a reduced TV deal on the cards. Catalans lost their TV deal - so please don't even assume Catalans will be in SL 2022. They likely won't be.

You really must get real - English SL bosses will NEVER EVER allow their limited player pool to be shipped abroad thus cutting their own throats. They have said so in the RL press. No offence to you, RL papers and Mags like League Weekly and RL Express constantly promote the American dream but not one of the journos or either editor has the bottle to actually come clean on the realities of the acute lack of players to stock such a dream, and the fact that there are no real North American investors. All I ever hear is Argyle (Aussie) and Wilby (Englishman) promising the earth.

Quite right. Not enough quality players. Who’s fault is that? New York and Toronto who have been in existence for 7 minutes or Wakefield. Leigh And Salford who have been in existence for 100 years and still can’t produce “quaility” players. These 3 waster clubs are no different to the expansion clubs in that they rely on cast offs

The only response you are worthy of is this.....

Surely there are more than 3 'waster clubs' than wakefield, leigh and salford. why have you only mentioned those clubs ? Hoping for a reaction I imagine. So, in your expertise knowledge why are they so ? Try and explain yourself without trying to sound a thick troll.

Thank you for your reply. You set out a programme for progressively adding teams to Superleague from now to 2025 until we have four more clubs. But you do not set out where the extra 120 players at least will come from? There will be no North American players of SL quality available in the next six years if ever?

You also exclude current SL clubs who produce players, this doesn't make sense nor does it add up - could you explain.

What a ridiculous statement to make, your arrogance shows no bounds and shows you up to be the most dimwitted poster on this forum just to try and aggravate other posters within them areas mentioned

There is a world of difference. Salford and Wakefield run junior player development foundations staffed by coaches to promote the playing of RL at schools and local junior clubs, and very large sums of money go into this. Wakefield run an academy to further develop players to become professionals. Salford and Leigh don't run academies but to be fair, the problem is that there aren't enough young quality players in the area for there to be six academies so quality junior players from Leigh and salford would gravitate to academies at Saints, Wire, Wigan and Widnes.

There is therefore a sizeable player development system underpinned by these six clubs including Leigh and Salford, and a heck of a lot of time, effort and money goes into this from the clubs. I really do think you should look up the facts of the matter. In contrast Toronto and New York will have kids mostly playing a series of NA sports and if there are any "football" minded kids then most will be playing grid iron and soccer, and Rugby Union clubs in these cities will be mopping up any kids who want to play Rugby.

It is therefore the case Argyle, McDermott and Noble may have been around for seven minutes, but that was enough time for them to decide they were not even going to bother trying to develop junior ARL in any way so they should by rights not be in Superleague leaching players from here.

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Counts 100% mate. I grew up watching Leigh lads like Ashcroft, Eckersley, Tyrer and of course John Woods. Great stars of the game. hope you go up next year - you didn't deserve to go down when you didn't come bottom the other year. Sorry for the long post

Thank you Sir.Great names there buddy(My fav was Woody)...And btw - I love reading all your post,you really do talk a lot of sense. I would also like to wish Doncaster all the best for next season.



Long post, Ha Ha, Luv it.

3 players from Leigh East signed scholarships with St. Helens earlier this year. That's the kind of clubs they go to initially, as Leigh only has a 'college' based academy for the students i.e. The Tommy Sale Youth Foundation.

Except it’s not. I’m 100% correct in what I say. New York and Toronto could promote any random teenager to their squad like Wakefield and Leigh do and then claim he is super league standard when in reality they are a million miles away. There are 4 clubs in super league who consistently produce super league standard players. Ergo, Toronto and New York are in the same bracket as Leigh and Wakefield except they have been in existence for a millionth of the time

Quote ="Steph Curry"Except it’s not. I’m 100% correct in what I say. New York and Toronto could promote any random teenager to their squad like Wakefield and Leigh do and then claim he is super league standard when in reality they are a million miles away. There are 4 clubs in super league who consistently produce super league standard players. Ergo, Toronto and New York are in the same bracket as Leigh and Wakefield except they have been in existence for a millionth of the time'" Steph, your so determined to make out Toronto are as bona fide as Wakefield you end up making up anything. Look here. www.wakefieldtrinitycommunitytrust.co.uk/ Wakefield run a really good player development system from the grass roots to academy and now reserves from which the best players turn pro. It's no good using Leigh as an example of a club who "do nothing" they aren't a Super League side. In contrast Brian McDermott came out and admitted Toronto Wolfpack will be doing nothing on the player development side because Rugby Union in Toronto has a full set up for developing Rugby minded kids to play Union. Brian Noble recently checked out the best players in the Canadian National RU side and concluded none of them, not one, are good enough to play pro-league. No offence to you Steph, but across the game, especially in the RL press we have people purporting to be journalists writing the same sort of "Rugby League is taking root in North America" stuff you do. Look carefully Steph, It's just one very rich Australian playing pretend. They say love is blind.......BTW New York don't yet exist beyond a plan so it is astounding that you put a "plan" at the same level of development as a 140 year old club - can you explain yourself??.

Quote ="Steph Curry"Except it’s not. I’m 100% correct in what I say. New York and Toronto could promote any random teenager to their squad like Wakefield and Leigh do and then claim he is super league standard when in reality they are a million miles away. There are 4 clubs in super league who consistently produce super league standard players. Ergo, Toronto and New York are in the same bracket as Leigh and Wakefield except they have been in existence for a millionth of the time'" Steph, your so determined to make out Toronto are as bona fide as Wakefield you end up making up anything. Look here. www.wakefieldtrinitycommunitytrust.co.uk/ Wakefield run a really good player development system from the grass roots to academy and now reserves from which the best players turn pro. It's no good using Leigh as an example of a club who "do nothing" they aren't a Super League side. In contrast Brian McDermott came out and admitted Toronto Wolfpack will be doing nothing on the player development side because Rugby Union in Toronto has a full set up for developing Rugby minded kids to play Union. Brian Noble recently checked out the best players in the Canadian National RU side and concluded none of them, not one, are good enough to play pro-league. No offence to you Steph, but across the game, especially in the RL press we have people purporting to be journalists writing the same sort of "Rugby League is taking root in North America" stuff you do. Look carefully Steph, It's just one very rich Australian playing pretend. They say love is blind.......BTW New York don't yet exist beyond a plan so it is astounding that you put a "plan" at the same level of development as a 140 year old club - can you explain yourself??.

WOW - that's three more than the whole of North America put together

How is Kiev JEAN?

Said nobody, ever....except maybe Jean when you're logged in as it.



Expansion. DONE PROPERLY!!!

Tuoyo Egodo - London
Guy Armitage - London
Will Lovell - Northampton (London Academy Product)
Kieran Dixon London
Rob Butler - Kent
Josh Walters - Surrey
Sadiq Adebiyi - Nigeria (raised in London & London Trained)
Olsi Krasniqi - Albania (London Trained)
James Meadows - London
Jacob Ogden - Northampton (London Trained)
Dan Hindmarsh - London
Sam Davis - London
Gideon Boafo - London
Jordan Williams - London
Rian Horsman - London
Oliver Leyland - London
Dan Norman -London

17 of the 25-man London Broncos 2020 Squad are London Trained, with 2 Bor in Northampton, and 1 each in Albania and Nigeria.

By Comparison, Toronto has no local players and as a club has admitted that there will be none for the foreseeable future.......I would hazard a guess that there are plenty of Leigh and Wakefield youngsters knocking about the top 2 tiers of the European game, but not a single North American.

"Argyle is wealthy" does not equal RL is going to take off in North America, but as others have said, the RL press, preaching to an ever-shrinking choir (how many people will pay for the online subscription being touted by J. Drake and TotalfacistRL?) and they will spout what they think it is you want to hear.

Back to the 8 London Broncos who aren't from south of Sheffield.

Olly Ashall-Bott - Widnes
Cory Aston - Sheffield
Morgan Smith - Warrington
Éloi Pélissier - France
Rhys Curran - Australia via Elite 1 in France
Matty Fozard - Widnes
Greg Richards - Cumbria (St Helens Trained)
Eddie Battye - Sheffield

How long do you recon it'll take Toronto or NYC to have a squad made up of 70% of their own trained players, from their own catchment area? I reckon they could do it now if they fancied dropping back down to L1, but the reality is they are Argyles "vanity project"...a viewpoint underlined by Toronto wanting a bigger cap so they can buy success.

I have seen many well thought out arguments as to why Toronto are not the success that many "wish they were" but not may realistic responses other than that they get 9k to games.....which they do....just not 9k people paying to get in and not 9k watching the game. And this is 100% reliant on the generosity of Argyle. No TV deal, No development not even attempt at development, no shirt sponsor deal extension or announcement, no update on ST sales

Speaking of their blinding success to date, I find it very strange there's been no mention of a 2020 sponsor and no sign of a 2020 playing shirt. This points to both continued troubles with suppliers and AirTransat's 3-year tenure as shirt sponsor for flights as having come to an end. They signed SBW and followed this up by extending some pretty average players contracts and all we've heard is that they expect to sell an extra 1,000 ST's on the back of SBW...it all sounds really sustainable, doesn't it?

Wakefield may play out of a ground that has seen better days and the may not be a side packed with local talent, but given they have to fight off the attentions of countless other sides for the signatures of local kids, they perform pretty well. Their 5,500 average gates in 2019 will almost certainly generate considerably more revenue than the 9k beer-loving Canadians do and Ryan Hampshire, their Wakefield Born FB in 2019 already outnumbers the number of Canadians in the Toronto Squad.

It's also highly unlikely that Wakefield will be breaking the cap any time soon and unfortunately, I doubt that the same can be said for Toronto.

Loads of local talent in Wakefield. Wakey city lads in SL are Hampshire, Johnstone, Kirmond, batchelor, Jowitt, Crowther, Milner, Massey, and olpherts. Quality Cas lads, that is part of Wakefield district include Wood, Arundel, Eden, Holmes, & Clare, also from Wakey district areas Pontefract Fev and Normanton are Thompson, Reynolds, Shenton, Watts, Smith, the two Briscoes, McLelland, Westerman, Dawson-Jones Addy and Crookes = 26. As for fans a total of 15,000 pay to watch 3 RL clubs in the area. Never mind Toronto's 4,000 paying fans plus free tickets and beer festival entrants.

There is this lunatic idea going around on RL forums that somehow because Wakefield & Cas have old grounds they should bow out of Superleague for New York & Ottawa to replace them. However NY and Ottawa are not "clubs" but two fantasies created by Perez and Wilby annually kicked further down the line, who serve only to give an impression NARL is expanding. i can't fathom why RL newspaper publishers such as Lockwood and Sadler give all this stuff such credibility when they must know it's a sham, and furthermore not to the taste of the very real people like me and 80% of fans in Hull, who actually who buy their publications, just to have North America is the future rammed down out throats?

MONEY?

Over to you stephie and jeannie, I'm sure your response to counter their thoughts on this subject will be as articulate and as informative as the above and Axey's post as well