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| Quote ="tad rhino"you really are a clueless idiot aren't you? we had 7 first teamers out last night, we had 3 18 year olds on debut,another 2 yougsters with hardly a game between them and we still had a great chance of winning. the effort was outstanding, i was chuffed to bits with the effort. with even a couple of players back we would have won that game easily, rovers were no more than average.
oh, and peacock was the best player on the pitch by a mile, leading by example as usual'"
So when you have a "full team" (whatever that is) on the field what's the excuse then?
Match officials?, the weather?, the pitch?, OR!!!!!!
that Leeds have been found out by the opposition and just at the moment
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C) Will change slowly (for the benefit of the intelligensia at the club) but surely and and show the game what they truely capable of, especially when a certain Mr Smith was in charge!!
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| Quote ="Leaguefan"the weather?'"
[url=http://leeds.rlfans.com/readarticle.php?article_id=1326Yes.[/url
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| thanks for confirming your idiocy. i never sought to blame anyone and would be happy for you to point out where i did. the simple fact is we are decimated by injury. i fully expect us to pick up when we get bodies back, i just hope we can stay in touch until then
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| You could add an 8th player in Bush too as he would have played had he been fit.
Anyway, re: roversmad's comment. WTH? Where did tad mention anything about you not deserving the win? You were the slightly better team and I'd say a 1 try win was probably about right. So far this year though only 1 team has stuffed us and that was Wakey. In the other 3 losses (4 if you count the Storm) anybody could have snatched the result going into the last few minutes and ATEOTD I love it! I much prefer this to winning by 30 or 40 most weeks.
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| Quote ="Leaguefan"So far, this season Leeds have been found out.
It is a test of the PLAYERS ability to see if THEY can turn it round but boy it's obvious that some just cannot think outside the box!!'"
No.
Leeds have injuries, super league as it is these days if you have injuries you can come out the wrong end.
Leeds have still come close to winning most of their games.
When they get players back they will start to win.
The ''leeds have been found out'' brigade will f*ck off pretty sharpish when leeds hit form.
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| In response to the original question, then yes Leeds will make the top 4 and more than likely the final.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"In response to the original question, then yes Leeds will make the top 4 and more than likely the final.'"
I,m not too sure, if teams target Sinfield and McQuire while they are still weak its possible they may lose quite a few more games and struggle to even make the top 8.
8th place could be 12 losses this season and currently Leeds are heading in this direction more so than Wigan, Warrington, Huddersfield, St Helens, Hull, Wakefield, Bradford, Hull KR.
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| I think the point being made here is that in the past, even with a few injuries, Leeds were sufficiently superior to the majority of other sides in the comp that they could scratch a win. Evidently that's no longer the case.
Incidentally, when Leeds played Cas in round 1 they did so with an almost full strength side (a workmate told me before the game that they'd have no excuses if they lost cos they had a full strength team out) and the benefit of a competitive hit out the week before against Crusaders. So injuries can't be used as an excuse for that result.
I'd still be surprised if Leeds don't make the top 4 but given the results so far they can be far from certain of it. Which (Leeds fans excepted) most people will agree is good for the game....
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| Quote ="Cecil B"I think the point being made here is that in the past, even with a few injuries, Leeds were sufficiently superior to the majority of other sides in the comp that they could scratch a win. Evidently that's no longer the case.
Incidentally, when Leeds played Cas in round 1 they did so with an almost full strength side (a workmate told me before the game that they'd have no excuses if they lost cos they had a full strength team out) and the benefit of a competitive hit out the week before against Crusaders. So injuries can't be used as an excuse for that result.
I'd still be surprised if Leeds don't make the top 4 but given the results so far they can be far from certain of it. Which (Leeds fans excepted) most people will agree is good for the game....'"
Hey, I love the current situation at Leeds. It makes it more exiting knowing that we can lose any game rather than knowing we'd have to stink it up to lose.
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| This time next week the rhinos could be outside the top 8. With peacock injured can they get back on there perch.
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| Quote ="Leaguefan"that Leeds have been found out by the opposition and just at the moment
a) wont/can't admit it
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C) Will change slowly (for the benefit of the intelligensia at the club) but surely and and show the game what they truely capable of, especially when a certain Mr Smith was in charge!!'"
What's suddenly changed in the close season that could not be seen in the previous 3 years or 4 of the previous 6?
Did everybody else just ignore what you now know?
With all the resources available to clubs you would think that is a long period for "Leeds to be found out".
Your a dipstick, admit it and move on. We have a competitive competition at present so enjoy it. Normal business will be resumed come the end of the year.
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| Quote ="Cecil B"I think the point being made here is that in the past, even with a few injuries, Leeds were sufficiently superior to the majority of other sides in the comp that they could scratch a win. Evidently that's no longer the case.
Incidentally, when Leeds played Cas in round 1 they did so with an almost full strength side (a workmate told me before the game that they'd have no excuses if they lost cos they had a full strength team out) and the benefit of a competitive hit out the week before against Crusaders. So injuries can't be used as an excuse for that result.
I'd still be surprised if Leeds don't make the top 4 but given the results so far they can be far from certain of it. Which (Leeds fans excepted) most people will agree is good for the game....'"
I can't remember when this current squad have ever had so many injuries so I'm not sure how much your first remark stands up!
Regarding the Cas match, Cas won fair and square and nobody hinted other wise, same as last year at home to Quinns and Salford.
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"Regarding the Cas match, Cas won fair and square and nobody hinted other wise, same as last year at home to Quinns and Salford.'"
Excellent point.
What is the difference in Leeds losing to Cas and Hull KR this year, to losing to Salfor and Quinns last year?
Or losing to Wakefield away this year to losing to Catalans last year?
Posters get so caught up in pathetic jelousy that they fail to understand they are devaluing their own teams achievement.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"There have been a lot of rumblings of discontent at Leeds recently. Despite winning the Grand Final last season a lot of their players moaned on about having to sacrifice money for the cause of keeping the squad together. That kind of situation is always going to collapse eventually as people naturally put money above glory once they've experienced it.
The WCC winning bonus was discussed publicly by the players at Leeds as well, they clearly saw that game as being important enough to win. Jamie Peacock, their captain, has also done an incredible amount of moaning and complaining about the volume of meaningless regular season matches he has to lower himself to be involved with. It's fair to say he has a bee in his bonnet about that and I doubt they've been going all out for the win like a few teams have this early in the season. They have the experience to know that you don't win SL in March. Wigan and Warrington fans are absolutely cockahoop about their sides performances, their brilliant, outstanding performances and their amazing, incredible new coaches. If results went against them next weekend (I'm not suggesting they will), both could be level with St Helens (Being booed by their own fans and a spent force) with only 1 game lead over Leeds, so it's far too early to start drawing lines under the teams in the top 4 spots. The likes of Warrington and Wigan won't win a thing if they keep up the intensity and effort they've shown so far all season. It's not physically possible and Leeds are masters are timing their run to OT.
I think losing that game and Sinfield's solidity for a few weeks, aligned to their other injuries just means they are not firing on all cylinders. I still expect them to finish in the top 2. They are a side capable of winning 10 games on the bounce and there aren't many of those in Super League.'"
Not sure I fully get you point about money as there are always two very good reasons to win any final, glory and money. Remember, prize money does not count on the cap so I suspect that both Saints and Leeds players wanted both, assuming that both clubs would pass the prize money to the squad based on some sort of pre-arranged deal in terms of dividing the money up.
I can see the fact that some 'star' players may want to move to a side lower down the pecking order to take a bigger slice of pie from that clubs cap but, I don't it will bring them a doubling in salary per-say. Moving to RU might be the real money option!
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| Quote ="Saddened!"There have been a lot of rumblings of discontent at Leeds recently. Despite winning the Grand Final last season a lot of their players moaned on about having to sacrifice money for the cause of keeping the squad together. That kind of situation is always going to collapse eventually as people naturally put money above glory once they've experienced it.'"
What are these rumblings of discontent? genuine question, just it's the first time I've heard anything about it.
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"What are these rumblings of discontent? genuine question, just it's the first time I've heard anything about it.'"
That is sort of what I meant as well Tony, I don't think there has been rumblings and Kevin's GF comments were meant to be a positive, not a negative as maybe Sad is viewing them.
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| Leeds is a ticking time bomb.
Let's not screw around here, we all know they have the ability and the quality, it's a question of when.
Still despite the injuries and poor form they are essentially 4 points from top 2. 4 points is nothing, espevcially with 3/4's of the season to go.
Admittedly they have tough games coming up, but that can be viewed as a positive in that it gives them direct opportunity to make ground on certain teams.
Leeds are a team capable of making the grand final from outside the top 2 and if they go on a good run in the playoffs I don't think who ever get's ''club call'' will be picking them.
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| Quote ="back to back to back"
Leeds are a team capable of making the grand final from outside the top 2 and if they go on a good run in the playoffs I don't think who ever get's ''club call'' will be picking them.'"
It they get a chance,I think the Saints club would, if they struggle to beat them in a final, they would have a crack at them on the home ground.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"It they get a chance,I think the Saints club would, if they struggle to beat them in a final, they would have a crack at them on the home ground.'"
It depends who the other choice and whether saints got the club call.
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| Quote ="back to back to back"It depends who the other choice and whether saints got the club call.'"
And whether it will rain or not on the night.
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| Quote ="CAM."And whether it will rain or not on the night.'"
It wasn't raining in 07 when we put 30 on you or in 2009 when we made it 3 in a row.
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| Quote ="back to back to back"It wasn't raining in 07 when we put 30 on you or in 2009 when we made it 3 in a row.'"
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| Do you think we should change the title thread...........Will Leeds Finish in the Bottom Four after Easter
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| What is the injury situation like coming up to Thursday?
It it beyond the realms of possibility that Bradford could cause an 'upset' away on Thursday?
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