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| Quote ="JackWB"Attendance: 1,517
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Hilarious isn't it. Dick.
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| Its an embarrassing attendance for Super League quite frankly. I also wonder if they count Non-attending season ticket holders? There could have actually been a 3 figure attendance in the Capital.
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| Quote ="jeffvickers"Its an embarrassing attendance for Super League quite frankly. I also wonder if they count Non-attending season ticket holders? There could have actually been a 3 figure attendance in the Capital.'"
Oh boohoo change the record.
Great result for London, well done.
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| Very poor attendance but I'm pleased for the London fans, its been a very long hard season for them!
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| Quote ="jeffvickers"Its an embarrassing attendance for Super League quite frankly. I also wonder if they count Non-attending season ticket holders? There could have actually been a 3 figure attendance in the Capital.'"
So how many season ticket holders didn't attend?
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| Great come back. As for the crowd, I believe that is the lowest ever for a SL game in London and it is time the RFL took direct action IMO, because the total and utter lack of anything that looks like a structured business plan at the Stoop should be a real concern for the games governing body.
If the SKY deal is still dependant on a London team, then the RFL have until 2014 to turn things around, because David Hughes has said he can't continue to bankroll the club after then.....they are floundering off the pitch in a season that was probably the most important one in te 32 years history of Pro London RL.
There is an audience for RL in the capital, but it costs money to reach them....this year, DH has wasted 1.5 million on a squad and coach who weren't up to the job and fired the marketing and corporate sales managers....he may well be a saint, but he doesn't have a clue how to run a professional sports club.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"If the SKY deal is still dependant on a London team'"
Was it ever? It seems to have become received wisdom that Sky insist on a London team, but I've never seen anything to back it up.
This is a genuine question by the way, not one of those facetious, VT questions.
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| Biggest ever comeback in regular season history, from team who previously looked like they had as much spirit as a teetotal Saudi Sheikh, and all you lot talk about is the attendance. That's why I've not bothered posting in this circle-j**k arena for a year or so, right there. Yawn.
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Bronco"Biggest ever comeback in regular season history, from team who previously looked like they had as much spirit as a teetotal Saudi Sheikh, and all you lot talk about is the attendance. That's why I've not bothered posting in this circle-j**k arena for a year or so, right there. Yawn.'"
Mate......I understand the attitude, but you can't say that the attendances at London aren't a major concern. The CEO has gone on record saying an average of 10k and a successful team are what we was aiming for....as spectacular failures go, I reckon that's well worth a mention...we're last with less fans than any other season of Superleague.
As for the come back.....it was brilliant, but in the greater scheme of things, it means absolutely SFA, whilst the attendance at the stoop has a massive impact on the games future as a pro sport in London.
Given where you live now, comebacks must be getting pretty boring now after the last couple of weekends
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Bronco"Biggest ever comeback in regular season history, from team who previously looked like they had as much spirit as a teetotal Saudi Sheikh, and all you lot talk about is the attendance. That's why I've not bothered posting in this circle-j**k arena for a year or so, right there. Yawn.'"
You've never been to Bahrain on a Thursday , plenty of Saudis with spirits there.
That said, 13 drunk Saudis would have defended better than Salford today.
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| Quote ="Repo"13 drunk Saudis would have defended better than Salford today.'"
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| Quote ="bren2k"Was it ever? It seems to have become received wisdom that Sky insist on a London team, but I've never seen anything to back it up.
This is a genuine question by the way, not one of those facetious, VT questions.'"
I agree with this..it would be odd that sky demand a club be in sl that can only comand 2500 gates to justify ther investment in sl.
Having said that if rl is to ever be taken seriously outside of its heartlands then london must be broken..
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| Great win for London but if there was a Northern team with crowds between 1 and 2k playing in a Rugby Union stadium at the bottom of the table... would they seriously be in with a chance of getting into super league? No. So why should it be any different for a team in London?
Unless spending to the cap actually sees them get a trophy, I can't see anything changing.
You know it is bad times when a good comeback is the best thing that has happened to your club for a while.
This London club needs to average 5-10k to justify being in this league. Championship games have seen higher crowds! It makes the sport look so small-time.
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| Quote ="Odem"Great win for London but if there was a Northern team with crowds between 1 and 2k playing in a Rugby Union stadium at the bottom of the table... would they seriously be in with a chance of getting into super league? No. So why should it be any different for a team in London?
Unless spending to the cap actually sees them get a trophy, I can't see anything changing.
You know it is bad times when a good comeback is the best thing that has happened to your club for a while.
This London club needs to average 5-10k to justify being in this league. Championship games have seen higher crowds! It makes the sport look so small-time.'"
Your mostly intelligent post was ruined by the bit in bold......or would it be OK if they were playing in a soccer stadium?
The Stoop is one of the better stadiums to watch Rugby League in, both in the UK and down here in NZ/OZ.....regardless of who owns it.
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| Quote ="Odem"
This London club needs to average 5-10k to justify being in this league. Championship games have seen higher crowds! It makes the sport look so small-time.'"
Fax get higher than this on a weekly basis with almost no away support and Im not sure Halifax is bigger than the area that is around where London play. All they are is a token team in SL to make up the numbers so the sports leading body can say that the game is expanding.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"Fax get higher than this on a weekly basis with almost no away support and Im not sure Halifax is bigger than the area that is around where London play. All they are is a token team in SL to make up the numbers so the sports leading body can say that the game is expanding.'"
And in the next couple of years the other SL clubs are going to have to bite the bullet and give up income to retain a London presence in SL, but that in itself could see other clubs fall into severe problems, the game is in a very precarious place at the moment , I can only see major structural changes happening
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| Quote ="bren2k"Was it ever? It seems to have become received wisdom that Sky insist on a London team, but I've never seen anything to back it up.
This is a genuine question by the way, not one of those facetious, VT questions.'"
In an interview that Sky's Vic Wakeling gave to the authors of a history of SL, he said that a London club was the condition of the initial Sky contract, not summer rugby or a French club, for whom they wouldn't have the TV contract, but it wasn't now (when the interview was given).
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| Quote ="The Chronicler of Chiswic"In an interview that Sky's Vic Wakeling gave to the authors of a history of SL, he said that a London club was the condition of the initial Sky contract, not summer rugby or a French club, for whom they wouldn't have the TV contract, but it wasn't now (when the interview was given).'"
Thank you.
Given that there is no longer any stipulation from Sky, and that DH has said that his support will end after next season, it has to be said that things don't look great for the London franchise; it's a shame really, because a proper marketing strategy and some decent on-field results could have sparked a real success story.
I wonder if Richard Branson can be romanced into giving it a another go?
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"Fax get higher than this on a weekly basis with almost no away support and Im not sure Halifax is bigger than the area that is around where London play. All they are is a token team in SL to make up the numbers so the sports leading body can say that the game is expanding.'"
Londons average is 2,883.....what was the average for Fax in their last SL season......? 116 more per game with a fair few local derbies in there.... Don't get me wrong, I am London's biggest critic when it comes to their crowds, but fax had their chance and cheated/blew it.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Londons average is 2,883.....what was the average for Fax in their last SL season......? 116 more per game with a fair few local derbies in there.... Don't get me wrong, I am London's biggest critic when it comes to their crowds, but fax had their chance and cheated/blew it.'"
So basically saying the worst team ever to grace SL in a single season still managed bigger average crowds than a London team that has been given chance after chance year after year to grow its crowds with a bigger catchment area? Not much of an argument really, lets face it if franchising would have been in place then we would still be in SL now.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Your mostly intelligent post was ruined by the bit in bold......or would it be OK if they were playing in a soccer stadium?
The Stoop is one of the better stadiums to watch Rugby League in, both in the UK and down here in NZ/OZ.....regardless of who owns it.'"
My point is that they don't own it. They don't have a huge asset. Wigan and Hull make up for that with big crowds and decent teams. London offer nothing at the moment. It is a real shame.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Londons average is 2,883.....what was the average for Fax in their last SL season......? 116 more per game with a fair few local derbies in there.... Don't get me wrong, I am London's biggest critic when it comes to their crowds, but fax had their chance and cheated/blew it.'"
They had one chance and that was that eh? How wonderful the rugby league family really is.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"So basically saying the worst team ever to grace SL in a single season still managed bigger average crowds than a London team that has been given chance after chance year after year to grow its crowds with a bigger catchment area? Not much of an argument really, lets face it if franchising would have been in place then we would still be in SL now.'"
I believe that Halifax are averaging 2,236 fans at home this year in the Championship.....Hunslet, 16 miles away, Keighly, 12 miles away, Leigh, 37 miles away, Dewsbury, 12 miles away, Featherstone, 13 miles away, Swinton, 33 miles and Sheffield 50 miles. Fax have just won a trophy and are sitting 2nd in their division.
I believe the London Broncos have managed 4 wins all year, are sitting at the bottom of the table and average 2,883 at games....our visiting supporters come from about 200 miles away...not from around the corner and on average, we are shipping 34 points a game.....
You claim Fax 2003 were the worst team in the history of the comp....and that would explain the average gate that year of about 2,900.....but in the same sentence, you bemoan London, who have won 3 more games for having a similar average crowd.
Again..in 2003, your 4 biggest crowds were from Leeds, Bradford, Huddersfield and Castleford...a bus ride away......but you compare them to London, 200 miles + away?
Given chances year after year? Hmm......I believe that we never finished in a relegation position over 16 years in SL and have never been caught cheating either. When the club went into administration, we broke no RFL rules as there were none and we were readmitted to SL by a democratic vote of the other SL chairmen. We have never received any assistance...and certainly nothing along the lines being dished out to the Bulls at present.
As for the bigger catchment area.....WTF?
Twickenham is a town that is 10 miles outside London with a population of about 20,000...Halifax has a population of 80,000.
I agree 100% that the Broncos crowds are a disgrace and most of my 14k posts on here have undelined this, but sweeping statements about "what teams would attract in SL" are nothing more than argumentative.....they are not backed up with facts at all. Halifax has a long and illustrious pedigree in the sport, but for some reason, the "fans" can't be bothered attending games in a stadium situated pretty much in the middle of town....but rather than look at the issues nearer home as to why only 2,300 bother going to games, it's easier to point the finger at London and their failings.
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| Leigh averaged 4750 in SL in 2005 and were DIRE. Not saying we should get in SL in front of Fax or Fev, but the SL average as a whole would go up with any of the 3 in SL instead of London, or even Salford.
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| Quote ="Athy Box Yed"Leigh averaged 4750 in SL in 2005 and were DIRE. Not saying we should get in SL in front of Fax or Fev, but the SL average as a whole would go up with any of the 3 in SL instead of London, or even Salford.'"
1. Yep...best way to attract attention as a potential national sport......bring in more teams from next door and do away with the one that's far away.
2. London are debt free.....Can I suggest that if you're thinking of binning clubs, look a little closer to home first.
3. Using your warped logic, I bet the premiership clubs were relieved that West Ham went up last season instead of Peterborough United.
4. Fax and Leigh were in SL, they got relegated......London didn't, which is why London are still in SL and Fax and Leigh aren't.....for now anyway.
The income derived by a club for attendances is solely the responsibility of that club....away fans, which is why the 3 clubs you mention would increase the oveall average, are a bonus. Hull FC and Wigan have actually been known to have INCREASED attendances for the visit of London/Catalans over the last few years by using these games as an opportunity to attract new fans at special rates....IIRC, Wigan sold an entire stand to Heinz a couple of years back for the London game......the same Heinz that are now on SL shirts.
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