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| Quote ="interchange"
Oh and Roy, if I thought you were coming from a point of knowledge or understanding then I'd be worried at your comment but the fact that you made such a comment shows how little you really know. Sorry if that offends.'"
I'm no sure what prompted this, given that I've been defending Childs and criticising Agar. Also, I'm not sure what comment you seem to have taken offence at.
However, I should perhaps point out that I'm a practising referee - quite possibly one of the most experienced practising referees south of Birmingham. Blowing a whistle doesn't, of course, give you any more authority off the field on RFL organisation matters than the next person, but given I've re-read my comments on this thread and found nothing particularly controversial or extreme, I admit to being at a loss regarding your response....
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| Quote ="Roy Haggerty"I'm no sure what prompted this, given that I've been defending Childs and criticising Agar. Also, I'm not sure what comment you seem to have taken offence at.
[uHowever, I should perhaps point out that I'm a practising referee[/u - quite possibly one of the most experienced practising referees south of Birmingham. Blowing a whistle doesn't, of course, give you any more authority off the field on RFL organisation matters than the next person, but given I've re-read my comments on this thread and found nothing particularly controversial or extreme, I admit to being at a loss regarding your response....'"
A schoolteacher AND a referee?
You know what they say.
Those who do, DO. Those who can't do, TEACH.
Those who play, PLAY. Those who can't play REFEREE.
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| Quote ="PHIPPS"A schoolteacher AND a referee?
You know what they say.
Those who do, DO. Those who can't do, TEACH.
Those who play, PLAY. Those who can't play REFEREE.'"
And those who can't do, play, teach or referee, pretend to be internet warriors on message boards in between bouts of self-abuse. Go wipe your keyboard down and stop bothering the grown-ups. You've been warned about this before.
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| Quote ="Roy Haggerty"And those who can't do, play, teach or referee, pretend to be internet warriors on message boards in between bouts of self-abuse. Go wipe your keyboard down and stop bothering the grown-ups. You've been warned about this before.'"
Bazza in case you read the above just look below
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| I question the mental stability of anyone who would consider becoming a referee. But to actually do it and then tell people they are one as well is bewildering
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| Quote ="Rommel"Maybe James Child just does not like Hull FC plenty don't
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You letting your own bias speak for the majority now then?
Surprised you didn`t bring Radford into the conversation.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"
Based on the games I've seen, I can't say there has been a marked improvement in standards of decision making or fitness since the move to full time, so you have to wonder what the point was? All it did was cause one existing, highly experienced referee to quit.'"
I agree with all you have said but would question the general fitness levels of the SL refs - I don't think i've ever seen a fitter ref than Thierry Alibert,in fact he prides himself on his fitness levels - just watch his warm-up routine before the game.I was also impressed with Mr Hewer at TO13 on saturday,he kept up with play and gave himself (like Mr Alibert) the best possible chance to make the correct decisions.
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| Just watching the Salford-bradford game and James child has had a nightmare. Wish he'd just stop blowing his whistle at every little tiny petty infringement. Just let the players play and stop ruining the game.
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| Quote ="The Poltroon"I question the mental stability of anyone who would consider becoming a referee. But to actually do it and then tell people they are one as well is bewildering'"
Without referees, we would have no game to play, watch or discuss
And all they get is from people
I thank them for helping the great game of Rugby League
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| Quote ="Dunbar"Without referees, we would have no game to play, watch or discuss
And all they get is poop from people
I thank them for helping the great game of Rugby League'"
You took the words out of my mouth - or at least away from my keyboard!
It's very easy to sit in your armchair or stand on a terrace and criticise, much easier than taking to the field and doing the job. If it was an easy task everyone would be doing. It's not so why spend so much time criticising those that do put their hands up and step into the line of fire?
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| A mate of mine reckoned that all referees were sexual deviants. After all, what type of person does it take to run onto a field with 10,000 people all wanting to f**k them?
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| Mr Childs put in another ever so slightly bizarre display again tonight , not saying he was the reason we lost , but it was a totally disjointed performance with both sides completely frustrated by the end
Only problem is , he will end up being dropped back to the Championships , and we'll have to have him even more
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| Could anyone tell me what Salary a grade 1 referee gets ie Ganson.
I always thought that the salary would be so limited it would inevitably put off lots of people wanting to do it as how could you take the loss of salary from a half decent job to be a ref.
If that puts off people wanting to be full time refs then maybe we should go back to semi professional or part time refs,
Didnt Kirkpatrick ? go to RU because he did not want to be a FT ref as it would mean giving up a better paid full time job
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"Could anyone tell me what Salary a grade 1 referee gets ie Ganson.
I always thought that the salary would be so limited it would inevitably put off lots of people wanting to do it as how could you take the loss of salary from a half decent job to be a ref.
If that puts off people wanting to be full time refs then maybe we should go back to semi professional or part time refs,
Didnt Kirkpatrick ? go to RU because he did not want to be a FT ref as it would mean giving up a better paid full time job'"
Yes he is/was a Banker , unlike Mr Childs
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| Quote ="cod'ead"A mate of mine reckoned that all referees were sexual deviants. After all, what type of person does it take to run onto a field with 10,000 people all wanting to f**k them?'"
definitely time for female referees then ?
[size=50(anyway coddy,didn't think you had any mates ?)[/size
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"Could anyone tell me what Salary a grade 1 referee gets ie Ganson.
I always thought that the salary would be so limited it would inevitably put off lots of people wanting to do it as how could you take the loss of salary from a half decent job to be a ref.
If that puts off people wanting to be full time refs then maybe we should go back to semi professional or part time refs,
Didnt Kirkpatrick ? go to RU because he did not want to be a FT ref as it would mean giving up a better paid full time job'"
I heard at the time they started being FT, the salary was about 35k, which is why Kirkpatrick decided not to do it.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Mr Childs put in another ever so slightly bizarre display again tonight , not saying he was the reason we lost , but it was a totally disjointed performance with both sides completely frustrated by the end
Only problem is , he will end up being dropped back to the Championships , and we'll have to have him even more
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Jim Mills on twitter...
bigjimmills
After watching Leigh v Catalan last night I understand how Richard Agar criticised ref J Child, should return his £6000 as he told the truth
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| Sean Penkywicz's Twitter;
"Think the ref at Leigh might need escorting out the ground."
"Leigh got nothin he's poor"
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| In my opinion, full time refs has been a seriously retrograde step.
The salary - and the relatively short career span - is unlikely IMO to attract the best candidates. Who would you rather have? Banker Kirkpatrick, or *anker Child?
Also, if you were a conspiracy theorist you might think that a full-time ref is far more susceptible to any alleged "team orders" coming out of Rot Hall? After all, who would put their job on the line and disobey the boss (or, maybe more to the point, the boss' ultimate paymasters)? Tell you who might: someone with a separate income who does reffing in their spare time, and so could afford to put principle first? But we digress, since only the conspiracy theorists might think that way.
Two quick ideas for solutions, not mutually exclusive:
1 - Significantly increase the package for a full-time ref, including a "pension" for life once their full-time career is over; the latter cannot be taken away if the guy is stood down by Rot Hall, so he need not be as concerned for his immediate welfare should he have a big fallout with his boss. And have an independent refereeing commissioner to support the officials should they feel they need someone to refer problems to, and to judge in cases where Rot Hall wants to get shot of an official
2 - Allow suitable-qualified part time officials to again officiate at the top level. I have no problem shouting "the referee's a banker" - when he IS - as well as being a good official too!
I also cannot see how one guy can police both the PTB and the offside at the same time. Oh, and maybe start educating touch judges in how to spot a forward pass, and give them more authority in that regard?
I have seen too many games recently where the play on the field has been degraded by the mistakes and sometimes bizarre decisions (some might say bias - let's leave it as mistakes?) of the officials.
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| I would say that Mr Childs is not a very popular person in Leigh today. Ihave seen some poor and biased reffing in the past but last night was possibly the worst.
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| Quote ="TV BOY"I would say that Mr Childs is not a very popular person in Leigh today. Ihave seen some poor and biased reffing in the past but last night was possibly the worst.'"
Yet if you had won the game and gone through to the next round - which you didn't - you and all the others would be saying what a fantastic ref he was.
God fans are so fickle.
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| Quote ="EHW"I heard at the time they started being FT, the salary was about 35k, which is why Kirkpatrick decided not to do it.'"
If that is the case then that is no way a decent salary fopr full time officials and is bound to reduce the pool of available talent.
Time to go back to part time refs but would better expenses/ financial package.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Mr Childs put in another ever so slightly bizarre display again tonight , not saying he was the reason we lost , but it was a totally disjointed performance with both sides completely frustrated by the end
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Bizarre is the right work Starbug, people are saying bias to Catalans but i'd just say incompetent.
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