Agreed the camera angles made it rather hard to be definitive. Personally i thought the Ref got all the calls right and the footage didn't help to say otherwise

Nothing wrong with the Chase-Owen try - ffs, if refs are gonna clamp down can they at least try and get it right? That wasn't even close to being forward.

But yet again, Leeds get away with a load.

I agree nothing wrong with that cas effort...


....Except It was CLEARLY forward!

The biggest problem is the momentum pass. A static pass is no problem because the player passes the ball laterally with no forward momentum, this is where the officials can pick up whether it is a forward pass.
The difficult area is the long pass from the player travelling at high speed. For example we are in broken play with the wingers in a forward position on the opposition 10 metre line. The full back has broken through the defence at high speed 20 m.p.h. He releases a high lofted pass from the 20 metre line 0.5 metres backwards towards the touchline, in one second the ball would have 10 metres momentum.
So the winger on the 10 metre line could catch the ball from a backward pass.

I agree, except I thought both passes were OK, as well as the JJB one. How Cas have competed this season, with that set of forwards (with a couple of notable exceptions) is remarkable.

The first pass to Owen looked OK. The second one i thought was a bit iffy but yet it WAS MILES MORE OF A BACKWARD pass than some others which have been let go all season. Some of O'Loughlins pasases to the wingers were far worse than what Owen got today but have been allowed to stand.

Inconsistency is the problem.

That is a training issue for refs and linesmen more than an issue about rules and science

The problem with forward passes is most fans, and stevo focus on the movement of the ball. They compare two points and decide that means it is forward.

Refs, touch judges and the RFL will tell you to pay more attention to the hands, the movement and position of the hands will show you more certainly which passes are forward and which arent. Next time you see a forward pass being replayed, look at the position and movement of the arms and hands, forward passes make these actions look very unnatural

We haven't had those forwards, we're missing nearly all our props! There was only one in the Cas 17 yesterday!

Of course, I'm sure that wasn't mentioned on Sky, unlike Leeds' 'massive' injury crisis...

i would just like to say, in answer to the OP that forward passes were outlawed a long time ago. its refs picking up on them thats the issue

Two - Jackson and Emmitt.

Missing our main prop - Huby - Fozzard and Walker, though. Three key forwards.

Stop simplifying things.

It has been mentioned on other threads that the game is (needs) to be complicated.

indeed. i forgot that as a rugby league fan i should be indignant about all things rugby league for no good reason and make everything into a big deal, and not forgetting i must come up with at least one conspiracy theory a week

Clarke is the only real class player in Cas' pack. Huby is/was undoubtedly having his best season, is our best prop by a country mile, but he still has to convince me he can knuckle down, lose the puppy fat, & terrorise the opposition consistently. Fozzard is never around long enough to make an impact, decent signing though. I thought we missed Widders as much as anyone.

I think i may just give up on rugby league.

When you have Child reffing it's just not worth turning up. Three forward passes. None called. Three tries. The fact this man has a job in superleague is amazing.

Games reffed by Childs 11
Crusaders wins 0

Nothing to do with the fact that Crusaders are sh*te

Simplified rule of forward passes by me:


"If it is marginal, and passed by the team playing my side, or is a team I don't particularly like, then it's forward. Otherwise, it's a perfectly good pass"


Move along, nothing new to see here.

I love how they crack down on the forward passes that have been well and truly out of control this season and call several Saints passes forward when it's Saints that have been suffering so much from it this season.

If only Ganson and his trigenometry skill were present for the derby against Wigan. He's clearly been told to crack down on it and he's getting a few wrong. Oh for proper officials...

Roby's "forward" pass just then was half a yard backwards. No mention from the clowns doing the commentary.

Maybe over compensating with the old forward pass slightly.

What is going on this season with forward passes!? Blatant forward ones not given and clearly backward passes been called as forward!

They cannot judge them properly because they are incompetent and so when it becomes a big issue they tell them to crack down on it.

BUT whilst cracking down on it they are incompetent and cannot judge them properly.

It's a viscious circle...

Just seen Saints pulled up around 3/4 times for forward passes, I thought the pass from Horne to Yeaman for his second try was also forward.

I am surprised



Ganson has made some poor decisions for Hull also, although not forward passes.

Horne's pass to Yeaman just then was a yard forward too

Another 'interesting' pass that hands Saints another defeat.