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| Quote ="Lee Tucker FC Fan 2006"so was wigan's full back Kris Radlinski i think'"
Couldn't have been him, he plays for free . . . honest.
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| Quote ="Donna"You are so quick to sling mud, as are others. That's why Senior is wrong doing what he's done. It's self publicity.'"
Of course it's self publicity, but are you that naive to believe all the clubs are being well behaved over the salary cap?
If you take it that Wigan being the only club to deliberately breach the salary cap so far means I meant them so be it.
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| Quote ="Finfin"But Wire outbid everyone for everyone - =#FF0000Carvell, Myler, Atkins, Ratchford all had rival bids from top teams.'"
he signed a new deal with hull fc then 24 hours later change his mind and signed for warrington. fc only got £50,000-£80,000 i think
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| Quote ="LeedsDave"Sorry, You must have Leeds confused with a team that has to cheat to win things.. like Melbourne.
Secondly if you are serious in that comment then you can't have heard Sinfield's GF victory speech of 2009.. or at least you have severe issues surrounding trust and believing people.'"
Alternatively, get off your high horse.
He is the only one that immediately sprung to mind, not because I think Leeds are cheats, but because I remember him being very heavily linked with RU and then signing a new contract with Leeds. Not accusing him or Leeds of anything, just trying to throw a name out there to try and fit to what Keef was saying.
And as for him doing a speech, then wow. If only Melbourne had had the balls to lie in public about what they were paying players. Oh. Oops.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I would apply for that if it weren't 2 hours of commuting from my home. Can you imagine how interesting it would be?
You would be able to go into work and see how much each club was spending on players. "Oh, Tomkins is on £x, Westwood's paid £x, Eastmond was on £x".
Dream job.'"
So would I, if it didn't involve a massive pay cut
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| Quote ="rover49"So would I, if it didn't involve a massive pay cut'"
which is why no-one with any calibre will be applying for this job.
The salary level is at about what a graduate with 3/4 years experience at a Big 4 accounting firm would expect to be earning - and someone at that level is nowhere near experienced enough to manage the salary cap to the level it should be managed at.
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| Quote ="EHW"which is why no-one with any calibre will be applying for this job.
The salary level is at about what a graduate with 3/4 years experience at a Big 4 accounting firm would expect to be earning - and someone at that level is nowhere near experienced enough to manage the salary cap to the level it should be managed at.'"
They are not after a qualified accountant however. Nor a legal expert. The accountancy involved isn't difficult, knowledge of payroll taxes can be learned very quickly and the specifics of the sport and the cap would be foreign to even a senior partner at an established accountancy firm.
They just want someone with that sort of background to do the job. At the end of the day it's a box ticking exercise, a manual checking of submissions to payroll records and bank statements I would expect.
£28k these days isn't a 'low' salary like a lot of people are making out either. I doubt this role will be the only person doing it and I'd expect there to be both legal and accountancy expertise already employed by the RFL.
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| From reading the job description, I would say you are totally wrong in virtually every word of that.
You get what you pay for. Its no wonder we get what we get from Rot Hall.
And is your "Dream Job" really finding out how much players earn (or such of their earnings as the salary cap auditor is aware of)? Takes all sorts, I guess?
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| Quote ="inside_man"Alternatively, get off your high horse.
He is the only one that immediately sprung to mind, not because I think Leeds are cheats, but because I remember him being very heavily linked with RU and then signing a new contract with Leeds. Not accusing him or Leeds of anything, just trying to throw a name out there to try and fit to what Keef was saying.
And as for him doing a speech, then wow. If only Melbourne had had the balls to lie in public about what they were paying players. Oh. Oops.'"
I can't recall Sinfield ever having been massively and continuously linked with union to the degree he was supposedly about to sign a contract, although I think himself he admits he has spoken to people.
I'd have thought the obvious person to look at though would be Keiron Cunningham who fits the description perfectly.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"A guy on another forum made what I think is the best (if maybe politically unacceptable) suggestion: all clubs to publish the salary cap values of their 25 Tier 1 players.
Then let the fans compare, and assess, and judge.
Won't stop the cheating, or using the device of third party image rights, but if a club has (say) a marquee player on what seems to be a disproportionately low salary cap value, then the fact that the world and his dog will assume that the club is cheating the cap somehow might be a strong deterrent. As well as inviting HMRC to look closely at that player's affairs...
Its an idea that where the devil would be in the detail, but I have not seen any better suggestion to resolve the problem in real time, as opposed to down the track as in DG's interesting idea above.
And it would be interesting to hear a club explain how Bruce Ocker was understood to be on half a million Aussie and some back in Oz, as well as third party image rights, yet over here he is one of Phil Clarke's mythical £100k players...'" What if Bruce Ocker resents having his earnings published? It seems that the when people discuss the salary cap they never seem to take into account the thoughts and feelings of the people who it actually affects...........The people whose salary is capped.
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| Quote ="MjM"I can't recall Sinfield ever having been massively and continuously linked with union to the degree he was supposedly about to sign a contract, although I think himself he admits he has spoken to people.
I'd have thought the obvious person to look at though would be Keiron Cunningham who fits the description perfectly.'"
I thought the RFL were quite open to the fact they ended up paying part of his wages to keep him in RL?
And then he promptly retired from internationals.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Wouldn't it be nice to live in a world where you could believe that people didn't do things simply on the basis that they told you they didn't?
Senior should be in a room right now with an RFL appointed independent investigating officer, expanding on his whistleblowing allegations of widespread cheating within the game; an HMRC official should be waiting outside for his turn, with maybe a couple of rozzers having a look at some potential fraud. In the meantime, Senior should be suspended from any RL activities, to protect him and the other parties involved.
What will really happen? The RFL will brush it under the carpet and Senior will retire in the off-season with his pension pot wedged up by book sales and payments from newspapers; meanwhile, the cheating of the salary cap by 4 or 5 wealthy clubs will continue unabated.'" It ain't just wealthy clubs, Barrow are about to get skinned.
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| Quote ="inside_man"I thought the RFL were quite open to the fact they ended up paying part of his wages to keep him in RL?
And then he promptly retired from internationals.'"
Club GB...! Whatever happened to that?!
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| Quote ="Finfin"But Wire outbid everyone for everyone'"
do we?
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Of course it's self publicity, but are you that naive to believe all the clubs are being well behaved over the salary cap?
If you take it that Wigan being the only club to deliberately breach the salary cap so far means I meant them so be it.'"
No not for one minute do I think that all clubs are abiding by the rules. If he was that concerned about it though he'd be co-operating with the RFL, naming names and specifics. But he's not, he's selling a book. And on here rather than people having a sensible debate about the SC we're talking about a hasbeen's self publicity, some posters have started inferring/accusing clubs and specific players. It's predictable.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"What if Bruce Ocker resents having his earnings published? It seems that the when people discuss the salary cap they never seem to take into account the thoughts and feelings of the people who it actually affects...........The people whose salary is capped.'"
Agree entirely. That's why I said it would likely be politically unacceptable.
That said, for example most of the public sector has a salary that is visible to anyone who knows what grade they are in and how many years they have been in that grade, so there are precedents.
But remember, the point about this is to highlight those players where there is a high chance that they are receiving RL-linked income outside of the cap. So I have difficulty worrying overmuch about the feelings of marquee players. Maybe you could limit the reporting to, say, the top ten earners to limit the exposure to the higher-paid players?
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Salford record deal = a pittance. Myler had 12 months left at Salford and Warrington offered a transfer fee that no other club would match and therefore the negotiations with Myler were not done in competition '"
It might have been a pittance to you but we were offering him record money "for us" but how can you compete when the player who was under contract with us suddenly turns up to work in a Halliwell Jones BMW whilst negotiations were taking place.
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| Getting round the salary cap via third parties is a bit dodgy, and frankly all but impossible to police. The main intent of the salary cap is in any event to try to make sure that clubs don't go bankrupt, and purely from that standpoint it is a good thing.
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| Quote ="Donna"Great way to sell a book, and sell out the sport that's kept him in horses!'"
How is it selling out the sport? If it ultimately leads to the underhand practices of some clubs being dealt with then he's done the sport a great service.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"Getting round the salary cap via third parties is a bit dodgy, and frankly all but impossible to police. The main intent of the salary cap is in any event to try to make sure that clubs don't go bankrupt, and purely from that standpoint it is a good thing.'"
So a rich, third party sponsor paying off the books to a top star is to be expected really, as you say its hard to police, but surely the RFL would look at why someone signs a top player on 50K through the books.
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| Quote ="Bobbin' Along"How is it selling out the sport? If it ultimately leads to the underhand practices of some clubs being dealt with then he's done the sport a great service.'"
I deal with this kind of situation in my professional life all the time, and I always feel the need to ask why the individual involved didn't feel the need to blow the whistle when they first became aware of the practice, rather than as they're exiting the organisation and looking for some kind of golden goodbye; or in this instance, why didn't Keef feel sufficiently outraged to expose the salary cap breaches he seems to have intimate knowledge of [ibefore[/i he'd retired and had a book to sell?
It calls into question his motivation and casts doubts on his credibility, don't you think?
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| Quote ="inside_man"I thought the RFL were quite open to the fact they ended up paying part of his wages to keep him in RL?
And then he promptly retired from internationals.'"
I believe the fund established for this was 'Club GB'
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| Quote ="bren2k"why didn't Keef feel sufficiently outraged to expose the salary cap breaches he seems to have intimate knowledge of [ibefore[/i he'd retired and had a book to sell?'"
Why would he want to upset his pay masters?
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| Everyone know the RFL turn a blind. I've mentioned this before but at the game I went to in Perpignan the Catalans merchandise caravan at the front of the ground was staffed by 4-5 very pretty Australian ladies. I am betting they were wives/partners of Catalans Australian players. Now they may have been on the min wage but somehow I doubt it. Wouldn't have taken Inspector Frost to see what was happening there!
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"Everyone know the RFL turn a blind. I've mentioned this before but at the game I went to in Perpignan the Catalans merchandise caravan at the front of the ground was staffed by 4-5 very pretty Australian ladies. I am betting they were wives/partners of Catalans Australian players. Now they may have been on the min wage but somehow I doubt it. Wouldn't have taken Inspector Frost to see what was happening there!'"
Exactly. But if those wives were employed by 'Perpignan Merchandising Inc' for example, the RFL would never even look into it.
It just seems they run it on an assumption of trust and don't go any deeper than checking bank statements to payroll records.
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