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| Quote ="Riderofthepalehorse"Was it not the very early days of super league, that Wakey voted to merge with Cas, or is the old memory failing me.'"
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Your memory is definitely failing you.
Mind you, it's been muted so many times by those in the media and those wanting to shrink the number of clubs in SL, that you can be forgiven.
Even the proposed ground share went down like the proverbial lead balloon but there were plenty of local politics involved.
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Imo it has to be Fev or Toulouse.
I hate the idea of just plucking a side who haven't particularly earnt it on the field . Fev made the most recent grand final and had the dire circumstances of travelling to Toronto for a final, utter nonsense. Without patronising Fev fans, they deserve to be in super league, they've improved their ground (more than can be said about Cas and wakey) they've competed at the top of the championship fairly consistently over the last decade, they were cruelly shafted in the past. The trouble is, they'd be relegated by Easter because they're that far behind the 8 ball. If allowed, their fans would travel well and enjoy it and muster some old rivalries along the way...
Toulouse, finished 2nd in the most recent season. They're a far more sustainable project for the league than a side in canada and add to the french contingent. This won't create some mythical derby with Catalan btw because they're about 6 hours apart. They've got some decent players and it would be a gruelling trip in summer for some super league sides.
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| Quote ="Donnyman"Not particularly the choice of TotalRL fans, polled only 2%.......
hearts often rule heads, but for me, also a no, not playing out of Dewsbury.'"
But TRL poll is not making the choice are they. Bradford will be a major candidate thats a fact nothing to do with opions, as i said not my choice but can also see some massive pro’s for Bradford, but yes playing at Dewsbury is a massive Con amongst other things.
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Was where I suddenly had to stop the video and come back on here to note that Featherstone are still around 24 years later, and are a grand club playing out of a modernised facility. But hey ho-Rugby league is dying and if we don't expand to Ottawa, Perth, Vancouver, New York etc then the game dies.
It's been a weird journey making the point that RL works along the M62 and has done for 124 years, only to be told if we don't shut most of it down along the M62 and keep Hull, Leeds, Saints Wigan and Warrington, and get them to play variously in Canada, the USA and Western Australia then that very soon will be that.
I think they still believe that over on the other RL discussion site  On Tuesday the posts were overwhelmingly declaring the death of English Rugby League.
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Was where I suddenly had to stop the video and come back on here to note that Featherstone are still around 24 years later, and are a grand club playing out of a modernised facility. But hey ho-Rugby league is dying and if we don't expand to Ottawa, Perth, Vancouver, New York etc then the game dies.
It's been a weird journey making the point that RL works along the M62 and has done for 124 years, only to be told if we don't shut most of it down along the M62 and keep Hull, Leeds, Saints Wigan and Warrington, and get them to play variously in Canada, the USA and Western Australia then that very soon will be that.
I think they still believe that over on the other RL discussion site On Tuesday the posts were overwhelmingly declaring the death of English Rugby League.
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| Quote ="Towns88"Imo it has to be Fev or Toulouse.
I hate the idea of just plucking a side who haven't particularly earnt it on the field . Fev made the most recent grand final and had the dire circumstances of travelling to Toronto for a final, utter nonsense. Without patronising Fev fans, they deserve to be in super league, they've improved their ground (more than can be said about Cas and wakey) they've competed at the top of the championship fairly consistently over the last decade, they were cruelly shafted in the past. The trouble is, they'd be relegated by Easter because they're that far behind the 8 ball. If allowed, their fans would travel well and enjoy it and muster some old rivalries along the way...
Toulouse, finished 2nd in the most recent season. They're a far more sustainable project for the league than a side in canada and add to the french contingent. This won't create some mythical derby with Catalan btw because they're about 6 hours apart. They've got some decent players and it would be a gruelling trip in summer for some super league sides.'"
Need to take you up on your 6 hours. Its 129 miles and suggested time (by car) 1hr 47 mins
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Whoa there......... YORK performed better than Featherstone over the season. They have a great facility like Fev but I understand it that Mr. Flatman has the money to havily invest and compete whilst the good Mr. Campbell at Featherstone sadly does not. Reference Leeds "A"...... |
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Need to take you up on your 6 hours. Its 129 miles and suggested time (by car) 1hr 47 mins
It would indeed be a French derby and I would pay good money to be there. It could be quite spicy.
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Mate, I love them both - put them both in with Leigh and go to 14.  Not sure about "too soon" if Mr. Flatman can simply buy in quality players, something I don't think Mr. Campbell can do, so that needs considering.
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I still think 25 years later this was the way forward, with some tweaks.
A merger in the WMDC was never a goer and for the umpteenth time there is no place or region called Calder so that was a none starter for a start, the Calder runs into the Aire just outside Castleford, The Aire runs through Castleford on through Airedale ferry fryston onto to Ferrybridge and Knottingley.
Interestingly I am from Castleford but lived most of my life in Knottingley and thats like 50% Cas 40% Fev 10% Other (mostly Leeds), now there was a bit more appetite for a merger round here same in Pontefract. The people most against the merger were people who pretty much could walk to the ground and felt like they had more to lose as they identified with their own town not just their team. Fans from further a field had to travel anyway. Wakey fans seemed more in favour of a merger because lets face it a merged team would probably play in Wakefield and be called Wakefield as the Calder monicker was a none starter.
A merged team in the WMDC was never a goer same as widnes warrington, Hull merger yes, Manchester yes. Cumbria? Not enough population base and traditionally Barrow us a Lancashire town. I think the original Idea could have worked but was badly badly implemented.
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I still think 25 years later this was the way forward, with some tweaks.
A merger in the WMDC was never a goer and for the umpteenth time there is no place or region called Calder so that was a none starter for a start, the Calder runs into the Aire just outside Castleford, The Aire runs through Castleford on through Airedale ferry fryston onto to Ferrybridge and Knottingley.
Interestingly I am from Castleford but lived most of my life in Knottingley and thats like 50% Cas 40% Fev 10% Other (mostly Leeds), now there was a bit more appetite for a merger round here same in Pontefract. The people most against the merger were people who pretty much could walk to the ground and felt like they had more to lose as they identified with their own town not just their team. Fans from further a field had to travel anyway. Wakey fans seemed more in favour of a merger because lets face it a merged team would probably play in Wakefield and be called Wakefield as the Calder monicker was a none starter.
A merged team in the WMDC was never a goer same as widnes warrington, Hull merger yes, Manchester yes. Cumbria? Not enough population base and traditionally Barrow us a Lancashire town. I think the original Idea could have worked but was badly badly implemented.
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Well whoever does get in is set to have an even bigger disadvantage than they already have by receiving half the central funding. Its becoming an old boys club is SL. I don't want to use the word corrupt, but it's certainly a case of those in power and with the money looking afyer each other. There's no justifiable reason for whoever comes up to receive less of the money.
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Well whoever does get in is set to have an even bigger disadvantage than they already have by receiving half the central funding. Its becoming an old boys club is SL. I don't want to use the word corrupt, but it's certainly a case of those in power and with the money looking afyer each other. There's no justifiable reason for whoever comes up to receive less of the money.
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Toulouse for me. Grow the game in France would be great for Catalans to have a derby and would hopefully re ignite the game in the southern France area which has a long long tradition of RL. Strengthen the international game and give a proper competition to England.
London as it is more likely to sell sky boxes.
None of the others bring anything to RL other than adding to what we have at the minute.
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re. funding disparity
I'd say the justifiable reason is that existing SL clubs would have budgeted based on the full Sky TV money, and will therefore have to already face a financial challenge of a shortfall.
Meanwhile the newly promoted club will have additional money to meet SL and full time status, but won't already have the same fixed commitments to meet as existing SL clubs.
So whilst it doesn't seem 'fair' it does seem 'justifiable'.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Your memory is definitely failing you.
Mind you, it's been muted so many times by those in the media and those wanting to shrink the number of clubs in SL, that you can be forgiven.
Even the proposed ground share went down like the proverbial lead balloon but there were plenty of local politics involved.
Leigh or Toulouse for me = more of the same or something new, although Leigh will initially bring some decent away support'"
Yes I remember the ground share was a big issue, and subsequently it failed, but could of sworn Wakey the club perhaps, not the supporters voted yes, as you say with politics and media things get mixed, |
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| Quote ="Donnyman"IIRC there was talk of Calder RLFC a merger of Wakefield, Castleford and Featherstone.....
A fans on field protest in a game between the latter pair scuppered that reet quickly......'"
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I've grown weary with the whole schtick, the idea of these teams needing to justify their existence in super league based on some abstract idea of what's good for the game. Should always be on sporting merit, on the field. Being as that can't directly be decided, it should be featherstone, as they were runners up from the last completed season.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"I've grown weary with the whole schtick, the idea of these teams needing to justify their existence in super league based on some abstract idea of what's good for the game. Should always be on sporting merit, on the field. Being as that can't directly be decided, [uit should be featherstone[/u, as they were runners up from the last completed season.'"
Come on be fair YORK came third on 39 points and Featherstone were fifth on 34 points and Fev LOST the play off game. Mr. Flatman can afford Superleague Mr. Campbell cannot He's run Fev as dual reg since Nahaboo the money man left..... Anyway.......
[i[u"Among those set to mount a case include Championship Featherstone Rovers, Halifax, Leigh Centurions, London Broncos, Toulouse Olympique, York City Knights, while League One Newcastle Thunder have previously expressed their top flight ambitions".[/u[/i
It's not just Fev that don't have the brass, it's also Halifax. I'd like some [i[ureal expansion[/u[/i so I'd like Newcastle to get in more that anyone else. Mr. Kurdi may well be the richest of the applicants who is best placed to get over the handicap of low central funding, plus if he doesn't get over it he still ends up in the Championship 2022 anyway so it's a win-win for him..... |
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler" Should always be on sporting merit, on the field '"
How is it "[iSporting Merit[/i" when Multi-Millionaire Simon Moran's Warrington stuff clubs who can't spend what he spends on players??
I agree that it's a good idea in theory to do it as a play off but when Featherstone beat Newcastle in the final you have a massive problem. And so does Mark Campbell, he can't afford to bring in the Quality players for 2021 Kurdi can. In turn Kurdi is expected to field a League one team that would not be playing in Superleague??
I can go with "On Merit" on the field if we postpone the 12th. place a year but we cannot do that so it needs (this one do you?) the richest qualifying club in terms of business plan and finances to take that 12th. spot... |
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If that's the case London finished 12th in 2019 and where replaced by Toronto, so they should be re promoted as they finished higher up the league structure than Fev. Plus Fev had several Leeds players and had access to mire over the seasons
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"If that's the case London finished 12th in 2019 and where replaced by Toronto, so they should be re promoted as they finished higher up the league structure than Fev.'"
This is a great game
Can Leigh take the promotion place given that in 2017 they were unfairly relegated from 11th. spot in a league in which most clubs did not support the play offs and MPG that unfairly removed them from the Superleague set up when Widnes should have gone down. Therefore Mr. Beaumont's Leigh should get first go. |
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Well fair enough, but the offer is the offer and the most suitable clubs to take the 12th. spot will indeed have to consider the approx £900K shortfall.
I don't think for a second Mr, Campbell can afford to lose that off central funding if he takes Fev up and would have to put together a bargain basement team. It now appears Mr. Flatman is a business advisor more than a wealthy business owner. Mr Beaumont may well spend a lot on players and see another £900K on wages as just the price (worth) paying, but the one man who seems to have the sort of money to compete, and bounce back if relegated is Semor Kurdi.
I can't leave Toulouse out, but I don't think they have a rich owner? Corrections welcome?
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Well fair enough, but the offer is the offer and the most suitable clubs to take the 12th. spot will indeed have to consider the approx £900K shortfall.
I don't think for a second Mr, Campbell can afford to lose that off central funding if he takes Fev up and would have to put together a bargain basement team. It now appears Mr. Flatman is a business advisor more than a wealthy business owner. Mr Beaumont may well spend a lot on players and see another £900K on wages as just the price (worth) paying, but the one man who seems to have the sort of money to compete, and bounce back if relegated is Semor Kurdi.
I can't leave Toulouse out, but I don't think they have a rich owner? Corrections welcome?
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. My point was i wasn't so sure it would necessarily spark a rivalry with fans through the gate !
