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| Quote ="notorious"Isn't there something about tattoos, wearing mixed fabrics and eating shrimps as well? Must be nice to pick and choose what you adhere to in order to fit your own world view.'"
Leviticus 19:19 says, “Keep my decrees. Do not mate different kinds of animals. Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.
Although apparently thats old testament and you can ignore that.
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| So Super League has said they have put measures in place to stop a signing like this happen in the future.
Does that extend to wife beaters and drink drivers or only guys who condemn homosexually in an open forum.
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| Quote ="kobashi"So Super League has said they have put measures in place to stop a signing like this happen in the future.
Does that extend to wife beaters and drink drivers or only guys who condemn homosexually in an open forum.'"
"put in place measures that ensure the Super League has greater authority to stop controversial signings such as this in the future"
Its a very simple statement.
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| 2 Kings 2:23-24 says:
"From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys."
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| Hull KRs chairman is a bit of a whopper isn’t he. Goes on a massive rant but forgets he signed SKD.
Maybe St Helens should sue Hull KR for loss of earnings due to the 50 fans they bring instead of the 1000 fans Leigh would bring if they were in SL instead of Hull KR
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Well, if he's prepared to play against such a plethora of "sinners", he deserves a medal
Redemption for ones sexuality is indeed a wonderous thing. Perhaps you could explain how that could possibly work or, are we to send homosexuals etc on "correction" programs.
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I am not here to ‘defend’ or otherwise the nature of the comments or religious texts. I am simply pointing out the crass hypocrisy and intolerance shown to the man by people who claim to be defending freedom when in fact all they are doing is trying to shut down the freedom and views of people with different views to their own. It’s the modern day fascism but I think it’s days are numbered now.
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| Quote ="Angelus""put in place measures that ensure the Super League has greater authority to stop controversial signings such as this in the future"
Its a very simple statement.'"
The key question being what is a controversial signing?
Is it someone who condemns homosexuality with his religious beliefs?
Is it someone with a criminal record?
Is it someone with a record of domestic violence or just plain violence?
Is it a drug cheat? Is it someone who uses recreational drugs?
SL is pushing it itself into a hole here.
This has never been brought up before yet Folau has become the bogeyman.
The next time a SL club wants to sign an Aussie booted out of the NRL we should expect to see that club getting permission from the other clubs as they all clearly have suddenly got a conscience lol.
Haha I forgot about SKD. Clearly the Hull KR owner lost his conscience with that one.
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| Quote ="puroresu_boy"
Haha I forgot about SKD. Clearly the Hull KR owner lost his conscience with that one.'"
And then there was the racist ranting on social media of Mr Hudgell's fullback not too many moons ago, that being after his assault conviction.
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| Quote ="puroresu_boy"The key question being what is a controversial signing?
Is it someone who condemns homosexuality with his religious beliefs?
Is it someone with a criminal record?
Is it someone with a record of domestic violence or just plain violence?
Is it a drug cheat? Is it someone who uses recreational drugs?
SL is pushing it itself into a hole here.
This has never been brought up before yet Folau has become the bogeyman.
The next time a SL club wants to sign an Aussie booted out of the NRL we should expect to see that club getting permission from the other clubs as they all clearly have suddenly got a conscience lol.
Haha I forgot about SKD. Clearly the Hull KR owner lost his conscience with that one.'"
Dunno mate, havent read the rules. I'd happily agree with it if it was all of the above.
One person's controversial is another man's trivial, but the fact near every news outlet has picked it up, and quite a few people have a problem with it makes it controversial
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| Quote ="Angelus"Dunno mate, havent read the rules. I'd happily agree with it if it was all of the above.
One person's controversial is another man's trivial, but the fact near every news outlet has picked it up, and quite a few people have a problem with it makes it controversial'"
Well the media are picking up on it because of SL / RFL comments and now clubs’. Would have died down by now. Hope the lad wins the Man of Steel. My bet is he’ll be playing in a French RU soon anyhow. Suddenly he’ll cease to be a pariah and rugby league will be the loser, as usual.
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| Quote ="Nothus"Are you saying that in 2022 Superleague will essentially be its own governing body? And that they will effectively return to franchising?
I haven't seen any indication of this anywhere. I thought they simply wanted to market their own league themselves and when the time comes, negotiate their own tv rights.'"
1996 and SKY paid for a Superleague. The Superleague clubs formed a governing body and opened an office in Leeds. From 1996 to 2015 there was always friction between the two factions RFL.v.Superleague. In 2006 the RFL pushed Superleague to allow Les Catalans in.
The RFL negotiated the last TV deal and gave a big share of the money to the Championships and that deeply angered the top superleague clubs. The top Superleague clubs then decided to break away from the RFL which led to many RFL redundancies and Red Hall being marked down to close.
The next TV deal will be negotiated between Superleague clubs and SKY. The RFL will have no say at all. The superleague clubs never wanted the likes of Toulouse TWP or Catalans. they wanted Bradford Leigh and Widnes. You say [i"I thought they simply wanted to "market their own league themselves and when the time comes, "negotiate their own tv rights"[/i
Yes your right they want to "negotiate their own TV rights" and they want to choose who gets the money this time, they want to choose who is in their league, and they want English clubs and the RFL are now powerless to stop them.
So work out from those factual events what Superleague 2022 will look like?
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| Quote ="WIZEB"And then there was the racist ranting on social media of Mr Hudgell's fullback not too many moons ago, that being after his assault conviction.'"
Didn't Rovers employ someone accused if child grooming too??
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| Quote ="Dally"Well the media are picking up on it because of SL / RFL comments and now clubs’. Would have died down by now. Hope the lad wins the Man of Steel. My bet is he’ll be playing in a French RU soon anyhow. Suddenly he’ll cease to be a pariah and rugby league will be the loser, as usual.'"
I'm thinking the NRL. They can sell it as a redeemed guy if it all works out in SL.
NRL clubs wanted him it was just the NRL wouldn't approve it but I think they will once his done a year in the game keeping his head down.
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| Quote ="Steph Curry"Hull KRs chairman is a bit of a whopper isn’t he. Goes on a massive rant but forgets he signed SKD.
Maybe St Helens should sue Hull KR for loss of earnings due to the 50 fans they bring instead of the 1000 fans Leigh would bring if they were in SL instead of Hull KR'"
He didn't go on any massive rant. On behalf of his fellow English Superleague Ltd. Chairmen, in his capacity of legal advisor, he made a public statement condemning the signing of Folau by the guest club Catalan Dragons, an act which aped guest club Toronto signing SBW.
The point here is that the English clubs want TWP and Catalans to spend those hundreds of thousands they have wasted on two clapped out old NRL players on junior development in Canada and France. They don't see why they should run academies and develop young players whilst these two (laughably called) expansion clubs clown about signing past it stars.
your own club develop wonderful players, yet you cannot grasp that these overseas clubs are rightly resented for mucking about and wasting £Hundreds of thousands on publicity stunts.
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| Quote ="Dally"I am not here to ‘defend’ or otherwise the nature of the comments or religious texts. I am simply pointing out the crass hypocrisy and intolerance shown to the man by people who claim to be defending freedom when in fact all they are doing is trying to shut down the freedom and views of people with different views to their own. It’s the modern day fascism but I think it’s days are numbered now.'" The elephant in the room is that every club in the ESL and NRL has Pacific Islands players, and maybe 60% of them have a fundamental christian background.
None of them will talk about it, but most would support Folau.
I've seen comments in posts followed by my christian relatives where Pacific Islanders are saying that it is basic racism that leads to denying them the right to have their christian beliefs (not in those words - a lot more angry than that).
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| [i:38v490rn"Elstone said the Super League board "accepts the legalities" around :38v490rn[ithe Rugby Football League's decision to register Folau[/i:38v490rn:38v490rn. But he added: "The board has voted unanimously to put in place measures that ensure the Super League has:38v490rn greater authority
More "evidence" of the friction between the RFL and the SL over who is running Superleague, more "evidence" of the RFL being elbowed aside.
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| Quote ="Donnyman"[i"Elstone said the Super League board "accepts the legalities" around the Rugby Football League's decision to register Folau. But he added: "The board has voted unanimously to put in place measures that ensure the Super League has greater authority to stop controversial signings such as this in the future".[/i
More "evidence" of the friction between the RFL and the SL over who is running Superleague, more "evidence" of the RFL being elbowed aside.'"
Wonder what constitutes a "controversial" signing? If Elstones pal Leneghan signs somebody one suspects its will always be deemed less controversial than other clubs.
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| They have just caused themselves and the game a huge problem with this knee-jerk reaction. Next time a thug (of which there appear to have been a few in recent years) is to be signed will they veto the signing? If not, can you imagine the negative press reaction? Cornered themselves. There’ll be no players left soon when stories or past mismemeanours are dragged up. Will it apply to administrators too? If not, why not? Coaches? The list goes on.
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| Hudgell would have to be the insular, hypocritical guy in Hull.
SKD anyone?
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| I cant understand why people are up in arms about trying to limit controversial signings. Especially people who keep saying "but we have wife beaters drink drivers etc in super league!"
Can we not just see what the rules are before we get hysterical?
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| We'd have never heard a word about this if the Australian Rugby Union hadn't wanted to weasel their way out of paying Folau more money than they could afford so they backgrounded their tame media cronies to do a hatchet job on him.
Most of the League players who went to Union in Australia got duded when Union decided they were finished with them, but Folau took them to the cleaners.
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| Strangely enough ,if it was suggested that Folau's inability to be able to accept homosexuality was a mental health issue he would suddenly become much more deserving of tolerance to his views. Maybe even a victim.
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| ...well I'm officially done with this thread
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| Quote ="Angelus"...well I'm officially done with this thread'"
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| Quote ="Angelus"I cant understand why people are up in arms about trying to limit controversial signings. Especially people who keep saying "but we have wife beaters drink drivers etc in super league!"
Can we not just see what the rules are before we get hysterical?'"
It's all about moral standards which being pushed to the limit, the signing has endorsed that you can virtually get away with murder and still be allowed to earn a decent living
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