I think there both valid your safe enough

Either way it's much better than "The Wildcats"

You've got it the wrong way around Vasty.
It was Dreadnoughts like the ship. The play on words was the other way around.
The picture on Dreadnoughts avatar is a hand written banner I assume to make a pun on the name.
It's shown in the JC Lindsey Wakefield Trinity history book in the 1960s with the correct spelling underneath.

Yes, definitely good to see that the Robins haven't indulged in silly animal nicknames.

No it was Dreadnowt's first based on Dreadnought as told to me - that banner was for the cup and the players came up with it themselves - the pun caught on and became the more recognisable Dreadnaught's as used by the club and press. If you can be certain otherwise you are either far older than I imagine or you didn't know Mr Lilley the ancient old fan and fount of knowledge who told me

You've got a very strange outlook on oversensitivity old boy. I'm not the one who seems obsessed about winning arguments and insulting strangers on the internet.

Try taking a more open and positive outlook on life. You never know, you might like it.

With regards to the rebrand back to Trinity, I’d say it’s a fair point to say that a lot more time, effort, thought and planning was put into that recent rebrand than when you rebranded to the Wildcats. That’s the key part of any branding regardless of whether you go for an animal name of a traditional name.

And for all this talk of the animal names being silly, the way people are going on you’d think the names in question were The Poodles, The Honey Badgers, The Ladybirds and The Tortoises....not Rhinos, Bulls, Lions and Tigers which give off connotations such as strength, power and speed which go well in connection with sport especially ours.

I agree. It's no different to having Lions, Stags and Unicorns on country coat of arms.

I dont remember any Rhinos on the Leeds badge of old ?

Lions have had their place on the English "crest" for several hundreds of years.
Having said that , it's up to each club to maximise it's own potential, accross all revenue streams and if having an animal on your clubs badge helps, then so be it.

I do like a proper name though

No they wasn’t but so what? Tradition is good and all but also moving with the times is pretty important too. It was tradition for Hull and Saints to play at The Boulevard and Knowsley Road, but they moved with the times and moved on.



What constitutes a “proper name”, that it’s old? People say they’re glad they don’t have an animal name.As an atheist I’m glad and wouldn’t be interested in having a name that came from the church and having a stylised flower for a crest.

Knownowts, more like

You cant change where you come from and looking into the history of where "Trinitiy" came from always causes a wry smile.
I cant imagine too many religious organisations wanting to set up a RL side to increase membership these days.
Equally I'm not sure it worked in 1873 either but, at least the club is still going, which is a miracle in itself

The Mansfield Honey Badgers take offence to this remark. I played American Football at university, some of the nicknames in Britain are incredibly bad; Bangor Muddogs, Bath Killer Bees, King's College Regents, Manchester Tyrants.

The nicknames in Rugby League aren't horrific and if a club can use it to reach another audience and attract more fans then just go for it.

When Wakey were Wakefield Trinity Wildcats there were quite a few people on this thread who defended their moniker and how it brought young fans to appeal to the club if I remember correctly. There seems to be quite a few Wakey fans with a change of heart since the club dropped the Wildcats moniker.

Can't speak for those people and tbh I only remember there being just the odd person that liked it, generally for the idea that kids relate. I think most people thought firstly, it's a bit of a lame animal we got, plus being too much of a mouth full, as well as not being one thing or the other, are we Wakefield Wildcats, or Wakefield Trinity, or Wakefield Trinity Wildcats, you need to nail down one name imo. I know in the past especially say pre- 2010 you used to get a few people that bought into the kids like it mindset but that also went with the kids loving Daddycool the mascot, which we always could've kept even losing the Wildcats name.

There was a definite swell over the years to rebrand from all age groups. We needed a change of identity to move forward, a clean slate if you will, that came along with the club being better run both on and off the field and basically try to get rid of that old image. So for me the vast majority have enjoyed the rebrand and imo Mr Carter will say it's been the correct decision just going off the year on year huge improvements in merchandise we've sold and ateotd you can't argue with that. it just looks a far more polished cooler emblem, that all age groups can get behind IMO.


For me it's about what works for that individual team. Has been mentioned Bulls, Rhino's & Tigers have all worked for them and everyone's bought into that over the years. I think with the first two it helps because they've football teams in the City to differentiate from. But others like the 2 Hull Clubs and Trinity it hasn't. Salford a few years ago tried to try something new, going from being the reds to linking them in with Man United and the Red Devils. I don't know how their fans felt about it at the time but from my perspective, it felt the owner was just jumping onto an idea hoping it'd work.

Wakefield Trinity was founded by a group of men from the Holy Trinity Church so its an apt name still to use, the Crest of the fleur de lis is the crest from the city of Wakefield again apt to use, where's leeds zoo then

It was an apt name to use in the 1870’s....is it still apt in the year 2019? Sports, times, move on. When naming clubs in the 1800’s they won’t have been any thought of marketing, branding and identity like their is today, so saying clubs should stick with what was picked around 150 years is ridiculously stuck in the past.

Why does your badge have to be the city crest? Why not create your own identity?

Heritage? Pride?

What thought has gone into the naming of Leeds Rhinos? How do they market the brand/team any different to any other club? They don’t.

Leeds have got heritage, they’ve got pride. Adapting and moving with the times doesn’t change that. The idea that you can only have those things if you stick with the exact same name decided over a century ago by people who wouldn’t have any idea about 21st century marketing, branding and identity is dumb,

What thought has gone into Leeds Rhinos? More than what’s gone into Trinity. Yours is basically “guys decided on this name 140 years or so ago so WE HAVE to stick with it”. Zero thought about TODAY’S modern sporting landscape, just appeasing 50+ year old guys who want things to be like what it was like when they first started watching as kids......and they’re the same ones who then mock other clubs for targeting kids.



So whilst Rhinos didn’t have a pre existing connection with the city, that only makes it more impressive that Leeds as a club have created a connection with that name and the city rather than take a pre existing connection decided by people back in the 1800’s and sticking with it now because you’re not creative and forward thinking enough as a club to move with the times and have to rely on the past.

Tend to agree. I much preferred when we were the “Loiners” more apt!

You really are the sort of bloke who could start an argument in an empty room. I mean obviously I like a ruck but you just argue for the sake of it, egged on of course by your little band of paranoid loaners.

However even for you this post is especially ludicrous. Of course Trinity is apt it’s our frigging name!

What are you saying? Should Man U drop the United from there name because it’s no longer apt because they haven’t United with anyone in over a hundred years?

Coca Cola have had the same name for over a century but seem to have no trouble marketing it - what the hell has time moving on got to do with anything?

You’re so desperate to be a smart and prove yourself right on everything that you don’t even check that your post even make sense let alone if their right or wrong.

Just admit it, regardless of whether the Rhino tag is right or wrong Trinity have got it spot on for them - go on try it you’ll feel a lot better.

Are you suggesting that The Printer hangs out with loan sharks? Or are they legitimate bankers? Or just pawnbrokers?
In any case what makes them paranoid?

Please be specific when you toss out such accusations so recklessly.

If you visit leeds' website, you'll see prominence given to the recently-formed Leeds Rhinos netball team. This sport is currently experiencing a boom in participation and in national TV coverage, some of it FTA. Now it may be that the club gains more through getting more people playing sport (grants and the like) than it does from running the team itself but none the less it'll likely provide an effective means of promoting the Rhinos brand. More than womens' RL in fact, which increases participation but doesn't feature on TV too much.

Just one example of how the club IS marketing the brand differently to any other club.

Being old-fashioned, Leeds RL is still how I refer to the club, often as not, and Wakefield Trinity sounds just fine.

Sorry Printer.
I was with you till that post.

You've already said the Trinity name is marketable.
It's history of the club that people want to keep. It's the name of the team that dominated in the 60s. It's the team Jonty Parkin, David Topliss and Wally Lewis played for. Neil Fox scored at Wembley in a shirt with a fleur de lis on the badge.
It came from the church but so did Christmas and I'm sure you still have a mince pie.

In the same way Leeds have made the Rhino mean something in modern times, Trinity already meant something to us and is a well established brand.. No need to change just because its old because it still works.
Some teams like Sts and Rovers have the same. Leeds didn't so created a new one. Bradford didn't feel theirs was marketable so changed it.
As long as its marketable and loved by the fans (customers) it is perfect.