If we're looking at facts ans stats then the comparisons are thus:

[uCarries[/u (based on averages depending on games played)

McGillvary 266 (15.65)
Hall 337 (15.52)
Johnstone 311 (13.52)

[uMetres[/u

Hall 2,961 (141.00)
McGillvary 2,175 (127.94)
Johnstone 2,925 (127.17)

[uAv.Gain[/u

Johnstone 9.41
Hall 8.79
McGillvary 8.18

[uErrors[/u

Johnstone 31 (1.35)
McGillvary 22 (1.29)
Hall 24 (1.14)

Pretty even between them all 3 of them in what i think are 3 key areas of wingers perfomance, obviously Johnstone has a lot more tries, as has been pointed out a lot of those are interceptions which he's very good at, which may also skew his average gain too as his yards are not as hard earned as the other 2.

Either way we are not desperate for wingers so when Hall and McGillvary aren't available any of the likes of Johnstone, Davies, Charnley etc would all do a decent job as cover.

1. i'm not a Hudds fan
2. it was a wakefield fan, i presume he is, who said he'd run past Jerry, as there was no chase between them how can TJ have run past JMG?

Agree, and at the moment TJ is probably just edging it, but depends what kind of winger the coach is looking for.

Where do you get this from " as has been pointed out a lot of those are interceptions" and just how many is a lot because I've seen all of Trinity's games this season and can remember 2.



As you say, England are not short of options but, assuming he's fit, Johnstone should get his chance sooner rather than later and lets see if he can cut it at International level as clearly, it would be a step up for the lad.

What if Hall goes really well in Australia in the next 2 seasons?

Can't believe there is all this speculation over the most settled and strongest position in the England team. Ah yes its another Trinity 'Are we a big club?' Thread. The answer is still no, it's embarassing that your posters feel the need to open discussions on every player you have that is any good, or after a few wins in superleague.

Indeed the VT is bursting full of such threads.

Or alternatively, fans could be pleased that positive discussion is being had outside the same old boring 3/4 clubs. Anyone would think people don’t want strong clubs throughout SL.
It was the same, & still is to some extent, when Powell changed the fortunes of Cas (don’t think we don’t know you’re waiting hopefully we’ll return to the bottom half of the league)!

This is spot on.

After a few early season wins against some of the weaker sides in SL, 'Wakey' fans were all over their board discussing 'are we a big club again'.

They'll need to finally do something about that tip of a stadium first plus win some trophies before they are even considered a 'big club'.

No doubt though should they get a poor result against Cas this week it will be all down to the ref yet again. They're never beaten only cheated you see.

You should be worrying about trips to Batley & Workington, not the fortunes of a top 5 super League club.

Jeez. All this “wakey think they are a big club” is damn right childish and come out of nowhere perhaps a maybe jealousy. It’s about a player who’s showing promising form with added discussion on other Good young wingers out there who maybe in with a shot too. If you don’t want to contribute and want to wind up throwing out stupid comments out of the blue from probably a handful of fans who got carried away 6 months ago representing a minority’s then just get off this post.

Get a grip and grow up, stop trying to have a measuring contest.

And Hall is injured hence the speculation and likelihood of a chance for another player. If you don’t want Hall to play on one leg that is :/.

its not about Wakefield Trinity its about a quality player now pushing for an England spot who plays for Trinity and is loyal to the club, don't worry you shouldn't feel threatened by a lowly humble club like ours

Bless, keep peddling fella and you may get a friend to sympathise your rants.

No they weren't.

It's interesting to see 9 pages of back and forth about the possibility of an exceptional talent like Tom Johnstone stepping in for an injured Ryan Hall; it's almost as if some people can't discuss the relative merits of players from clubs other than their own, without feeling the need to get a few digs in - and the lowlier they perceive that club to be, the more barbed the comments. It's exceptionally childish.

For mine, Hall has been one of the most consistent performers in an England shirt - and has achieved fantastic things in his club career; I defy anyone to reasonably argue that he's not one of the greatest wingers in the modern game.

But... a) he's injured and b) he won't last forever; so in a position in which we are strong, Johnstone is without a doubt in the mix for a call-up, if not now, in the near future. It's not that difficult.

What a crock of crap - it's nothing to do with Trinity it's very simple Johnstone is the best in form winger in SL and more than worthy of consideration END OF!!!

English fans need to grow uo and stop with the big club small club crap which in fairness all eminates from Leeds, Wigan and Saints fans who seem terrified of losing the 'status' as they see it.

I'd love every Trin player to be International class but they are not as indeed most Saints players arn't for example. Johnstone can't be called an international class player but only because he hasn't been tested. Once tested we'll know and now with Hall out TJ is the best available left sided winger after the injured Hall.

It's not rocket science and it's nothing to do with stadiums, income streams, past history or any of the other nonesense on here. RL fans are pathetic, only interested in creating heroes out of there own players whilst rubishing any that don't conform to there prejudice.

International players are all about the individual not the team they play for - it's there form that counts not that of the team they play for.

I thought I must have just read a different thread when I saw that so I went back and checked. There are 3 comments from Wigan fans. 1 agrees TJ should get a place, 1 asks a question (wasn't he dropped earlier in the season) with no further comment and 1 supports the view that it shouldn't matter which club a player is from. How's that chip on your shoulder?

For what it's worth (even though Wigan fans' views shouldn't count as we're all clearly biased against Trinity!) is that the wing spots are the incumbent's to lose, as they have all performed to a high standard, including Makinson on his debut. After that TJ is probably next in line and I'd be very surprised if he doesn't make the squad in the upcoming tests and should get a game if England opt for Makinson in the centres again.

1 thread started by 1 poster if I recall.

Tom Johnstone has missed nearly a quarter of the tackles he has attempted. This is why he wont get near an England shirt. That is an embarassing stat

Regards

King James

I agree with that last sentence. Problem was at the very start of this thread you had someone say he was the best winger in the last 18 months and try highlight how he still hasn’t been capped. When it was correctly pointed out that he was injured for half of that time and England have barely played a game where he was fit in the last 2 seasons some including yourself took objection to this replying “what’s that got to do with anything”.

Everything else you wrote is laughable as Wakefield are the worst for the big club small club nonsense and on the Kohnstone thread on your own board you say “in a fair world he’d get a crack” whilst another says the only thing that might hold him back is that he doesn’t play for a fashionable club. Obviously has to be these sort of reasons when a Wakefield player doesn’t get picked and not because other players are better

That line you wrote about creating heroes from your own players whilst criticising any that don’t conform to your prejudices is certainly true but you need to look in the mirror when thinking of that line.

Ahem. Ben Barba. Ahem.

Disagree with this Pinter old boy.
There is absolutely no doubt that players from the "big four" do get a better than even crack of the whip when it comes to England selection and partly this may be fair, as generally they have more "big game" experience which weighs heavily in their favour, just as previous form for England (or whoever) form also puts a huge tick in the plus column.
Kevin Brown and George Williams are good examples of this, with Brown moving from Widnes to Warrington and then making it into the Englans set up, almost instantly and there are numerous others over the years.
Players like Ashurst would have certainly made the Knights had he been at a more fashionable club. I know the Knights are more diverse in their club make up than the full England side but, the point still stands.

Please provide a link to this stat please and we can then examine it.

Matty Smith is the prime example.

You don't really know how a player will fare at international level without giving them a fair crack at it Id argue Mcgilvarry has exceeded expectations and performed better for England than many first thought? Hall has been consistently good but as stated is getting older and now injured so the likes of Eden ,Johnstone ,3 x Wigan wingers all merit looking at.Charnley and Lineham also have a case but it depends how much Bennett wants them making metres in own half or scoring tries (Ok ideally both).Our back 5 last tournament only Watkins could go full length. Hall and Jerry are mega solid but not rapid.Johnstone for me looks the best of the bunch and deserves a shot imo. If Hardaker keeps nose clean and gets back to speed then we have some real strike in the backs

Kevin Brown played for England in November 2016 vs Australia whilst a Widnes player, Warrington signed him the following month when Sandow went AWOL. (Also played in 2010 whilst at Hudds)

Ashurst won’t be in the Knights squad because of his age. He’ll be turning 29 this Autumn and you should look at the other players ages in the Knights squad instead of what club they play for. Playing for Wakefield hasn’t stopped the Knights picking the 25 year old Reece Lynn.

A few Hudds players played for England when they were top 4 regulars and Cas players getting in too so you don’t have to be at the “big boys” to get in.