Quote ="Zulu01"5 pounds 30 pence takeaway 8 pounds 20 pence - eat in Green Lane Chippy (award winning) Come and get some Jean, your tastebuds will love you forever'" 1/2 an hour for you Jean. www.theaa.com/route-planner/inde ... C53.495136

Quote ="Zulu01"5 pounds 30 pence takeaway 8 pounds 20 pence - eat in Green Lane Chippy (award winning) Come and get some Jean, your tastebuds will love you forever'" 1/2 an hour for you Jean. www.theaa.com/route-planner/inde ... C53.495136

Thomas Cook supply flights for Canada. The current flight schedule for Air Transat is no different than normal. Teams are just joining a scheduled flight not a chartered one.

Oxford was the first team to visit in League 1, May 2017. They were put up in student accommodation (which are not dormitories) at York University and their coach complained about the facilities. I understand the arrangements were improved - I'm not sure if they moved elsewhere or are still at York, but I haven't heard any complaints since ... can you enlighten me? (Wolfpack players also stay in student accommodation, at facilities built as the Athlete's Village for the 2016 PanAm games. Just in case anyone imagines they are staying at the Ritz.)

As I understand it, Wolfpack's arrangement via Air Transat is to cover travel & accommodation costs for the clubs in League 1 and Championship. Each club gets 25 free return flights per trip. Clubs pay local travel from the airport, just like they'd do for away games in England.

SL clubs will be responsible for their own travel & arrangements.

how utterly fascinating....

Indeed......and the lack of "take up" for away supporters last season has seen the "impact" of providing flights to Toronto Wolfpack and visiting sides almost cut by 40% this year..........some £200,000 or so cheaper for AirTRANSAT.....in retail costs, not actual cost!

From the end of February next year, Toronto will be required to fly between Blighty, France and Canada on alternate weeks....home and away.
12 trips to the UK to play away games and Magic weekend and 11 trips back on the Tuesday to prepare for a home game...let's call it a 30 man entourage at say £500 a pop is £15,000 x 12 is £180,000.........this years scheduling the cost is £30,000........in fact of the £400,000 sponsorship deals value,

AirTRANSAT have actually saved more than 50%....so their MASSIVE sponsorship deal is actually another example of RL fans and admins accepting anything and anyone who claims to be the silver bullet.....

I can only guess which team will play the majority of their away games in SL next year on a Thursday.......allowing them to fly back Friday and get the full week to prepare. If I were a SL chairman, I'd be demanding that teams travelling to Canada, do so on the same day as the Candians themselves...

Using your £500 a pop:
2018 scheduling for Wolfpack: Two return flights regular season and three for the Qualifiers = 5 x £15,000 = £75,000 (not £30,000)
For away teams: Nine return flights regular season and two/four for the Qualifiers* = 11/13 x £12,500** = £137,500 - £162,500
Total sponsorship from Air Transat for 2018 looks more like £212,500 - £237,500 for flights.
You also need to factor in the free accommodation.

If Wolfpack reach SL for the 2019 season, the SL teams will pay their own way. AT will only be sponsoring the Wolfpack, so yes, the value of the sponsorship will be reduced. That was always the plan.

[i*Not known if SL teams in the Qualifiers will fund their own travel or if this only applies if/when Wolfpack reach SL.
** Based on 25 free trips as agreed for away teams.[/i

Anyway, what does the actual dollar/pound value matter. Air Transat committed to covering the cost of flights for the travelling teams. This they are doing.



At this point, you're right, you can only guess.

Well....when the deal was announced it was rolled out as the biggest in NH rugby League......but like so many other announcements, it wasn't true was it?
First major sports/Professional transatlantic side? False
First Rugby/Professional Rugby transatlantic side? False
All Travel and accommodation costs to be met by the pack? False
5 Year plan to get to SL? False
FISCAL TV deals in place? False.
Rugby League getting a foothold.....FALSE......every aspect of the promotion outside of actual free tickets and hotdogs at games has been hooked and linked to Union.....every single part of it......and the shocking drop in crowds last week to the lowest gate yet shows it.......

...this has been a badly orchestrated charade, by all involved and the reality is that without getting dispensation on both the cap and overseas talent, they will be buried next year in SL........and as for Thursday Away games for the pack....remember where you heard it first.......the flight schedule sits it....and unless they want to change that.....which will be a dollar/pound statement.......it'll be unfilled seats all the way!

Paris and London started with great crowds....but neither fell as sharply as Toronto last week......L

Actually, us Brexiteers are OK with Toronto joining SL. Last time I looked Canada wasn't a member of the EU.

Away teams pay for their portion of travel from Toronto airport to the city. Question: On Sunday, Rochdale are playing away at Fev. Who is paying for Rochdale's travel to Featherstone and to & from their hotel? The home team or the visiting team?



Check in with me again in 2022.



Ha ha, watch out, we even serve Union suds in the Beer Garden.

This may come as a shock, but most people over here aren't going to make an issue of Union vs League. It's not our fight. This is a country where rugby of either code is an emerging sport and anything that promotes one code benefits the other. Trying to graft on long-standing prejudices from the UK will hurt, not help, the cause.

But hey, that England v NZ test, though??

The top sports here are basketball, hockey and baseball. In recent years, football (soccer) has surged and depending where you live, is bigger than CFL. But it took several failed leagues before top level professional football took hold in North America, while the moaners said it would never work: "football is a European sport, it'll never catch on, we don't have the players, there are no fans here", and on and boring on. Toronto FC, after 11/12 years in MLS, is now fielding several excellent home-grown players in the top team.



Last weekend it rained heavily from Friday evening through to game time on Saturday. There was a final deluge at around 3 p.m. when the gates opened. Given the rain had been expected and it went on overnight and all day, some fans and especially those with kids would have made the decision not to come to the game. We still got 5200.

FYI, this Saturday's game with Leigh falls on the Canada Day long weekend bank holiday. There will be many other entertainment choices available and traditionally many people leave town. Fans with real interest in the game v Leigh will be there. We're expecting a good crowd. But some people may choose elsewhere ... it's a big city and it will be stinking hot.

The City and County of Kingston upon Hull actually. We're not yorkshire folk!!

But on topic, it won't let me vote and would've voted for Fax and Leigh.

When you look at the final 5 fixtures between the top 6 (who from 2 to 6 there's only 2 points in it).
Still fancy Leigh who after this weekend don't play another top 6 side. Where as the others have to play at least 2 or 3 games against each other.

Hull isn't a County

So Toronto’s worst attendance is still higher than Leigh’s best attendance? This is why we need Toronto in sl instead of Leigh. Leigh have had 100 years to get it right and can’t so it’s time they moved over and let a well run club try

Regards

King James

To be fair to Leigh, Toronto’s worst attendance figure was also higher than several Super League clubs.

Indeed:

Kingston upon Hull

Sovereign state - United Kingdom
Constituent country - England
Region - Yorkshire and the Humber
Ceremonial county - East Riding of Yorkshire

TBF Leigh will being more than 0 from Toronto...

But if you like games with no atmosphere then enjoy

[size=150?[/size

I think he is trying to say that Leigh fans will always bring far greater numbers of travelling fans to Clubs than TW ever will, understandable given the cost & time required by TW fans.

What would be interesting to see (though we never will) is the figures on how many fans travel from Leigh for example *could be any Club* to Toronto in comparison to how many Torontonians travel *rather than UK based ex Pats* to Leigh/other Club !

I get that TW numbers will always be very low but the argument still stands, fans contribute to atmosphere, British/European sports thrive on atmosphere & allegiances so to have none is alien to us .......

Unless you're a Widnes fan !

Its all well and good expanding SL, and I've said it before FWIW I like the idea of expansion, I have no issue with it.

What I always do though is try and look at things from a different perspective, what would I do faced with the same problem or decision?

The fact is SL NEEDS more money, clubs NEED to bring in extra revenue, clubs need a way to get young players coming through the system via Reserves/Alliance/Academies.

The reason we don't currently is A-its not mandatory & B-ring-fenced money is now spent on players to avoid the jeopardy of relegation.

Toulouse seem to be the best fit for an expansion side, I can see the logic, hotbed of RL, reasonably well supported, TV deal already in place with Catalan Dragons, young French players coming through, short travel distance, 2 teams in the South of France, etc etc.

The one thing I keep coming back to with Toronto is what will they FACTUALLY bring to SL above anyone else other than "Trans-Atlantic?

Unless they have tabled a TV deal that promises SL teams a decent financial handshake then im struggling to see the incremental gain.

If I were Ian Lenagan and I knew that Leigh would bring 4000 fans to the DW again at a minimum £15 a go (£60,000) and then the following week they took 3000 to Saints again (£45,000) and then a few weeks later take 3800 to Warrington (£57,000) who would I actually want at the top table from a financial/business perspective?? If I were Moran/Lenagan/McManus id offer this team a parachute payment because I want them straight back ASAP, I have a financial incentive.

What do I have with Toronto? more expense, long travel time, an empty stdium, no ticket sales and another team with no youth development.

Do SL chairmen & owners want Toronto in SL?

Who knows time will tell.

Very well put & not just because of the Leigh quote, replace Leigh with Fev, Fax or certainly Bradford & I still say it is more beneficial financially than TW, Toulouse or London, unless of course a much better TV deal can be struck by having 2 French Clubs then I say Toulouse are best option.

I would also venture to say that the average ticket in SL is nearer £20 than £15 & average spend per head nearer £30 though of course there is no evidence or study to show this.

But do you support expansion of rugby league beyond Super League, though? Did last week's England v NZ test sell a single meat pie in Leigh? No: but it gave a lot of first-timers a view of a fantastic sport that could be very attractive in North America and beyond.



Earlier this month, Wolfpack signed a deal with Setanta Asia, a sports network that reaches 16 countries and 55 million households. The deal covers the current season. Big exposure in new markets. Again, Wolfpack is thinking beyond the game in England.



If I were Ian Lenagan, I'd promote the heck out of Wolfpack if/when they visit Wigan.



Please stop repeating nonsense like this. It doesn't help your otherwise interesting views.

That's awesome, I sincerely mean it, watched the game, loved it, when North America has a full time League of competitive clubs they, and SL clubs will have a cracking Trans-Atlantic competition which would be the first step towards a "Champions League Competition" and world growth.



How much money is it bringing into Rugby League and what is the split between clubs? I did say if there is a financial benefit then I could see the logic. have you any links to how many millions the deal was worth and which other broadcasters they outbid for the contract?



I'm sure they will, however I just don't see it attracting a full away end of paying spectators creating an electric atmosphere for the players or the cameras.



The nonsense is indeed factual, it isn't only isolated to Toronto as Toulouse would also bring minimal as do Catalan and half of SL.

The question is about WHO SL chairmen & owners want from a financial perspective based on the current state of British RL, if Toronto are pumping millions into the game from a TV deal then superb ill buy a Wolfpack Snapback.

Upto now you've not "sold" me the dream of Global Rugby League however your reference to a pie was quite funny.

Looks like Leigh's run for the Middle 8s is running out of steam. Toronto is thrashing Leigh today.

lol....



Setanta Asa is a predominantly Rugby Union station pointed at the ex-pat market in Asia that carries the Aviva Premiership, Pro 14, European cup and it's poor relation the euro-challenge cup, currie cup rugby from SA, Mitre 10 provincial Rugby in NZ, The Rugby Championship, Super Rugby....... it also shows SL and now it shows toronto games........if I referred to it as being niche, that would be me "bigging it up".......it's akin to a local cable station that nobody other than those in the know actually watch......the 555 million households are predominantly (if not totally) cable subscribers and the channel comes as part of the overall package......kind of like "Home and Garden TV" being available to Sky subscribers globally...so potentially 100's of million of homes, but actually only watch my a tiny group......

except Superleague is already on this channel....and what's actually happened is it's another freebie wrapped up to make it look good.....