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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Brilliant post, you may want to go back and see just how well Leigh were supported last time they were in the top flight
The main problem that you have, is that you have all of the arrogance of a big club but, you are just a small town on the outskirts of Wigan and using the same logic that you are trying to apply to Wakefield and Salford, Leigh would not offer anything to SL either.
[uYou might want to see just how few of your fans were interested last time you played in the big league and while you are at it take a peek at Halifax's crowd numbers (they were less then yours).[/u
Of all the clubs in the Championship, only Bradford can generate decent crowds, when things are going well. None of the rest would offer any improvement on what we currently have.'"
This is Virtual Terrace you know, it's no place for facts.
Ftr Last time Leigh were in Supper Dooper League they averaged 4637 and Halifax averaged 2977, the year before 4152.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Brilliant post, you may want to go back and see just how well Leigh were supported last time they were in the top flight
The main problem that you have, is that you have all of the arrogance of a big club but, you are just a small town on the outskirts of Wigan and using the same logic that you are trying to apply to Wakefield and Salford, Leigh would not offer anything to SL either.
You might want to see just how few of your fans were interested last time you played in the big league and while you are at it take a peek at Halifax's crowd numbers (they were less then yours).
Of all the clubs in the Championship, only Bradford can generate decent crowds, when things are going well. None of the rest would offer any improvement on what we currently have.'"
This is priceless....coming from a Wakefield Wildcats fan. Reckon you brought about 200 fans (max) to the play off game at Leigh last season.....you must be so proud !
What do Wakefield bring to Sooper League, that Leigh couldn't ?? Answers on a postcard please...... (sorry Wildthing, but he asked for it)
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"This is priceless....coming from a Wakefield Wildcats fan. Reckon you brought about 200 fans (max) to the play off game at Leigh last season.....you must be so proud !
What do Wakefield bring to Sooper League, that Leigh couldn't ?? Answers on a postcard please......
(sorry Wildthing, but he asked for it)'"
You clearly cant count (or choose not to).
Trinity just about filled the stand behind the post's, with more fans in the main stand.
I know that Leigh brought a great following to the cup game at Belle Vue and I think you had a good day out.
So, why do you choose to post something that is just not right, maybe you wish to over egg Leigh's support
I've nothing against Leigh and you are going great in the Championship but, looking at the bigger picture, IF the game was to grow
and become either a major national sport or a full blown English/French/Canadian league of say, 12 clubs, neither Wakefield or Leigh
would be in the top flight.
As for what Trinity bring to SL, nothing whatsoever, they are just a team of easybeats, just ask last seasons top 8 clubs, Leeds, Huddersfield, Warrington and of course Wigan.
All of them walked straight over the top of Trinity, NOT.
The club has had many struggles during it's unbroken SL participation but, without a sugar daddy, we are slowly growing again and just like many other clubs, we hope to remain as a competitive top flight club and one day, perhaps challenge for silverware, much like Leigh.
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| Darts is a game not a sport.
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| And if it wasn't for beer and the carnival/chav atmosphere most of those people wouldnt give a cr ap about some fat blokes throwing some darts. Does anyone really want that type of marketing in Rugby?! Most RL fans can't even put up with a drum in the crowd!
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"This is priceless....coming from a Wakefield Wildcats fan. Reckon you brought about 200 fans (max) to the play off game at Leigh last season.....you must be so proud !
What do Wakefield bring to Sooper League, that Leigh couldn't ?? Answers on a postcard please......
(sorry Wildthing, but he asked for it)'"
Keep me out of it
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"This is priceless....coming from a Wakefield Wildcats fan. Reckon you brought about 200 fans (max) to the play off game at Leigh last season.....you must be so proud !
What do Wakefield bring to Sooper League, that Leigh couldn't ?? Answers on a postcard please......
(sorry Wildthing, but he asked for it)'"
Wakefield [uTRINITY [/uWildcats fan.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Keep me out of it
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Sorry pal...I know I drifted 'well off topic' and ended up 'biting' like a very hungry fish !
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| Why would a franchise with no fan base gather any revenue never mind more revenue than the current set up.
Put up a team in Saudi lots of money out there.
I'd give it 12 months before it collapses.
We've done the franchise and it does not work for UK fans.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"The promotion and relegation system does not work. Championship clubs cannot make it to Super League against even a weak Super League team with a much higher salary cap.
Major corporate sponsors are not interested in funding a sport which has a tiny geographical profile, in this case along the M62 corridor.
The only way rugby league can become popular and get funds at the level of the NRL at least, is to drop P & R and institute franchising with a truly national and an international perspective.
The franchises should be awarded to clubs which have a 10,000 seater minimum stadium and an active junior competition. The best clubs to award franchises to, from the perspective of TV deals and national and international sponorship are:
Wigan
St Helens
Warrington
Leeds
Bradford
Hull FC
Calder United
London
Newcastle
Sheffield
Catalans
Toulouse
Toronto
Montreal
The competition should be renamed Atlantic Super League.
The Canadian teams will have to be stocked with Antipodean and English players at the beginning (as is now planned). Within ten years they should have a majority Canadian player roster thanks to development of Canadian juniors, as now exists with French players at Catalans, and should also exist with French players at Toulouse. The same methods should be used with new USA team ventures.
Future franchise additions to the initially 14 team competition should come from southern England, Wales, France, and the USA. If there is a sufficient player pool there should be no fear of increasing the number of teams over time up to 20, or even 24. If the number was to be 20 I would be looking at having one more team from Wales (Cardiff), one more from southern England, two more from France, and two more from USA. If the number was to increase to 24 then I would look at 4 more teams from the USA.
The days of parochialism are over. The game is atrophying in poverty under the Nigel Wood "P & R on the M62" administration.
Only a truly national and international franchise system will attract big corporate sponsors and get the lucrative TV deals that are enjoyed by rugby league in Australia, and by other sports in Europe and North America.'"
You have superseded by quite a long way the most ridiculous post I gave ever read. Sport is about the fans, not popularity and gaining worldwide sponsorship and kudos. To save yourself time your thread should just have read:
Bibble
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| Quote ="spegs" Sport is about the fans, '"
You think?
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| Yes, without its customer a business ceases to exist. I don't give a flying toss as to whether our sport is global, universal or just played in my back garden. I go to watch my team with my heart. The ideologists can continue to preach their rhetoric. I am the reason Rugby League exists...
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| Quote ="spegs"Yes, without its customer a business ceases to exist. I don't give a flying toss as to whether our sport is global, universal or just played in my back garden. I go to watch my team with my heart. The ideologists can continue to preach their rhetoric. I am the reason Rugby League exists...'"
Of course it need's fans but, without cash, there is no sport for the fans to watch, apart from pub teams and lower level amateur games.
Ultimately there is a balance to find, between having enough income for the sport to attract enough quality to make people want to pay and watch.
RL does struggle to attract enough fans through the turnstiles and whilst most on this forum would say that it's the best sport in the world, clearly, not enough people think so or, we would already have a strong global sport.
Our game is derided in the media and it's time that we improved the image of the sport to the outside world and got some positive media exposure.
The only time we make the headlines is when a player has done something stupid.
No too long ago there was some hysteria about media city being in Manchester and people said this would make a change but, the reality is, it's done nothing whatsoever.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"The promotion and relegation system does not work. Championship clubs cannot make it to Super League against even a weak Super League team with a much higher salary cap.
Major corporate sponsors are not interested in funding a sport which has a tiny geographical profile, in this case along the M62 corridor.
The only way rugby league can become popular and get funds at the level of the NRL at least, is to drop P & R and institute franchising with a truly national and an international perspective.
The franchises should be awarded to clubs which have a 10,000 seater minimum stadium and an active junior competition. The best clubs to award franchises to, from the perspective of TV deals and national and international sponorship are:
Wigan
St Helens
Warrington
Leeds
Bradford
Hull FC
Calder United
London
Newcastle
Sheffield
Catalans
Toulouse
Toronto
Montreal
The competition should be renamed Atlantic Super League.
The Canadian teams will have to be stocked with Antipodean and English players at the beginning (as is now planned). Within ten years they should have a majority Canadian player roster thanks to development of Canadian juniors, as now exists with French players at Catalans, and should also exist with French players at Toulouse. The same methods should be used with new USA team ventures.
Future franchise additions to the initially 14 team competition should come from southern England, Wales, France, and the USA. If there is a sufficient player pool there should be no fear of increasing the number of teams over time up to 20, or even 24. If the number was to be 20 I would be looking at having one more team from Wales (Cardiff), one more from southern England, two more from France, and two more from USA. If the number was to increase to 24 then I would look at 4 more teams from the USA.
The days of parochialism are over. The game is atrophying in poverty under the Nigel Wood "P & R on the M62" administration.
Only a truly national and international franchise system will attract big corporate sponsors and get the lucrative TV deals that are enjoyed by rugby league in Australia, and by other sports in Europe and North America.'"
Calder won't happen.
London failed epicly the first time round.
You've included Catalan, Tolouse, Toronto & Montreal - But no Cumbrian sides.
Maybe - instead of messing about changing the structures year after year - We should stick with something longer than 3 years and let it develop. Have some patience with it - Something the RFL seem to lack.
Increase the Salary Cap in the Championship to the same as the Super League and we may well see the new structure working.
How they can expect to get a competetive league structure with such a difference in the Salary Cap is truley mind boggling
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| Quote ="spegs"I am the reason Rugby League exists...'"
says it all really.
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| Quote ="W.T.W"Calder won't happen.
London failed epicly the first time round.
You've included Catalan, Tolouse, Toronto & Montreal - But no Cumbrian sides.
Maybe - instead of messing about changing the structures year after year - We should stick with something longer than 3 years and let it develop. Have some patience with it - Something the RFL seem to lack.
Increase the Salary Cap in the Championship to the same as the Super League and we may well see the new structure working.
How they can expect to get a competetive league structure with such a difference in the Salary Cap is truley mind boggling'"
London is improving in the Championship (now 2nd). A second investor could give them the boost they need to become a successful Super League club.
No Cumbrian sides because they have neither sufficient population/fan base, nor a geographical centre, nor sufficient financial backing to succeed in Super League. Newbies Toronto and Montreal and Toulouse possess all of these vital factors. Moreover Toulouse just thumped Barrow Raiders at Barrow to show that they are a more serious candidate for Super League than the feeble Cumbrians.
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| Quote ="Exiled down south"What like repeated insolvency.'"
Oh come on, it's been years. TWO years. That's ages.
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| Quote ="spegs"Yes, without its customer a business ceases to exist. I don't give a flying toss as to whether our sport is global, universal or just played in my back garden. I go to watch my team with my heart. The ideologists can continue to preach their rhetoric. I am the reason Rugby League exists...'"
What a ridiculous post.
YOU are not the reason RL exists at all.
Without players, there is no rugby league. They are the most important, not some self-centred know-it-all who preaches from the stands.
Going to watch your team with your heart doesn't get players on a pitch. It doesn't get the best players in your pitch. It doesn't get most out of the players on your pitch.
People want the sport to grow so that their team can achieve more than winning a small competition in front of a few people. It's why the Champions League is so big, and that it exists alongside the Premier League. And why that exists instead of the Yorkshire League.
Professional sport is about achieving the most possible. The most possible isn't just what's I'm front of you today, it's what could be in front of you tomorrow. Some people are worried the team they support won't be able to achieve that and hope tomorrow never comes.
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| So the players ain't supporters themselves and are willing to play in front of nobody?
Self centred know it all? That statement says a lot more about you than it does me...
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"London is improving in the Championship (now 2nd). A second investor could give them the boost they need to become a successful Super League club.
No Cumbrian sides because they have neither sufficient population/fan base, nor a geographical centre, nor sufficient financial backing to succeed in Super League. Newbies Toronto and Montreal and Toulouse possess all of these vital factors. Moreover Toulouse just thumped Barrow Raiders at Barrow to show that they are a more serious candidate for Super League than the feeble Cumbrians.'"
Jean, you are so funny at times, you really are.....good man !
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"What a ridiculous post.
YOU are not the reason RL exists at all.
Without players, there is no rugby league. They are the most important, not some self-centred know-it-all who preaches from the stands.
Going to watch your team with your heart doesn't get players on a pitch. It doesn't get the best players in your pitch. It doesn't get most out of the players on your pitch.
People want the sport to grow so that their team can achieve more than winning a small competition in front of a few people. It's why the Champions League is so big, and that it exists alongside the Premier League. And why that exists instead of the Yorkshire League.
Spegsdoes have a point , ultimately what determines a ' pro ' sport is that people ( attending or TV ) are willing to pay to watch
Expansion is vital , but it has to be done via ' sport ' , not just money
Professional sport is about achieving the most possible. The most possible isn't just what's I'm front of you today, it's what could be in front of you tomorrow. Some people are worried the team they support won't be able to achieve that and hope tomorrow never comes.'"
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