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| [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/29347/super-league-to-become-aThe clubs were unanimous in their view that Super League should become a 12-team competition from 2015 and that there should be meaningful movement between Super League and the Championships[/url
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| Quote ="William Eve"[url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/29347/super-league-to-become-aThe clubs were unanimous in their view that Super League should become a 12-team competition from 2015 and that there should be meaningful movement between Super League and the Championships[/url'"
that doesn't state that all were in favour of the split in to 3 leagues of 8 though, just that all clubs supported a 12 team league with promotion and relegation.
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| Quote ="William Eve"You're the one claiming the new structure is too complicated and too stupid when you admitted that you'd not even bothered to read the details of said structure.
It's not complicated at all.'"
It's not complicated. It's just sh[ii[/ite. Utter, utter sh[ii[/ite.
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| Quote ="fevfan76"what complete and utter rubbish, what on earth are you going on about, thats a really really poor argument.
at the moment the clubs outside the playoffs have absolutely nothing to play for so whats different.
maybe in football supporters of teams like Aston Villa in the premier should just pack in supporting them, because they are in mid table, may as well just pack the team in whats the point in playing 38 dead games
no one know the results of games before the season starts, the always should always be top 8'"
but in the premier league they dont get 2/3rds through the season forget everything that has happened then start all over again. Whatever points Aston Villa earn in the PL are what they earn in the PL.
Under this structure you can earn 20 points in the 22 games, if you dont qualify for the 8, those wins are completely discarded
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| Quote ="UllFC"that doesn't state that all were in favour of the split in to 3 leagues of 8 though, just that all clubs supported a 12 team league with promotion and relegation.'"
I noticed that nice little bit of twisting from the RFL.
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| Could someone who is more clued up on this than I am explain the finer points of the system? ie, what is the format after the split.
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| Im starting to love Marwan koukash just because of his openness. Somebody asked on twitter has nigel wood managed pass his stupid idea, his reply "he has". haha
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| Quote ="dubairl"I noticed that nice little bit of twisting from the RFL.'"
I don’t think its twisting or spin, im pretty confident that it was always going to be announced as unanimous. They would likely have taken the vote that whatever the outcome, it gets announced as unanimous.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"Could someone who is more clued up on this than I am explain the finer points of the system? ie, what is the format after the split.'"
Don't let William eve know you don't know the full system. By the way it hasn't be ratified as of yet they said later this month.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I don’t think its twisting or spin, im pretty confident that it was always going to be announced as unanimous. They would likely have taken the vote that whatever the outcome, it gets announced as unanimous.'"
It won't stay a secrete for long and surely the RFL know that.
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| Not quite sure why people are getting their knickers in a twist over season tickets. The new system will be no different to now where you get a season ticket for the regular season and then must buy tickets for the playoffs.
In this case you'll get a season ticket for the regular season (presumably 23 rounds) and so 12 home games. Then for the split into 3 groups of 8 you'll have to pay for those games on top. Like the current playoffs.
As for the argument it makes the regular season meaningless, again no different to the current playoffs or the playoffs for promotion between the leagues. Points aren't carried over from the regular season into the playoffs currently.
Personally I'd rather we'd stuck with licensing (but done properly) for another 10+ years at least. And if we were going to bring back P&R I'd have just gone back to straight P&R. But the arguments about season tickets etc are just silly.
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| Well all I can say is the bottom few teams in Super League better start to perform on the field otherwise they WILL be playing the likes of Leigh, Featherstone & Halifax and after 22 rounds of getting pasted it WILL be their own fault!
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| I've still got a few doubt about it but we'll just all have to see how it goes.
Knowing the RFL they'll probably change the format again by 2020 anyway (going on a six year average).
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| Quote ="Him"Not quite sure why people are getting their knickers in a twist over season tickets. The new system will be no different to now where you get a season ticket for the regular season and then must buy tickets for the playoffs.
In this case you'll get a season ticket for the regular season (presumably 23 rounds) and so 12 home games. Then for the split into 3 groups of 8 you'll have to pay for those games on top. Like the current playoffs.
As for the argument it makes the regular season meaningless, again no different to the current playoffs or the playoffs for promotion between the leagues. Points aren't carried over from the regular season into the playoffs currently.
Personally I'd rather we'd stuck with licensing (but done properly) for another 10+ years at least. And if we were going to bring back P&R I'd have just gone back to straight P&R. But the arguments about season tickets etc are just silly.'"
An I right in thinking after the split there's "a round robin" between the 8. Then a play-off system for a GF. Or are these details to be confirmed? If it is a round robin how do they expect families to pay £20 each 7 weeks in a row and then GF tickets? Madness.
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| Quote ="Binosh"Well all I can say is the bottom few teams in Super League better start to perform on the field otherwise they WILL be playing the likes of Leigh, Featherstone & Halifax and after 22 rounds of getting pasted it WILL be their own fault!'"
I'm sure they would relish a play off against part time teams as opposed to finishing bottom and instant relegation. It's sort of like a second chance for been crap.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"but in the premier league they dont get 2/3rds through the season forget everything that has happened then start all over again. Whatever points Aston Villa earn in the PL are what they earn in the PL.
Under this structure you can earn 20 points in the 22 games, if you dont qualify for the 8, those wins are completely discarded'"
and in the championship in footy, you could come 3rd by 12 points and end up in a playoff, while the team in 6th with 25 points less eventually gets promoted.
Not fair no, but its the rules and the footy playoffs have made a very dull end tot he season exciting.
I agree the situation you have said may not seem fair, but its will help put some life into a sport which has been dull for years. come the 23rd game there may be 4 teams able to secure 7/8 place. All with an hell of a lot more incentive to get there.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"An I right in thinking after the split there's "a round robin" between the 8. Then a play-off system for a GF. Or are these details to be confirmed? If it is a round robin how do they expect families to pay £20 each 7 weeks in a row and then GF tickets? Madness.'"
and how knackered are the players going to be after 22 rounds, then 8 intense round robin games, then playoff games, then potentially a Grand Final and international fixtures!
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| Quote ="Binosh"Well all I can say is the bottom few teams in Super League better start to perform on the field otherwise they WILL be playing the likes of Leigh, Featherstone & Halifax and after 22 rounds of getting pasted it WILL be their own fault!'"
Well somebody has to finish in the bottom four, does that mean they haven’t given their all?
BTW, regarding those pasting’s they have received, they will get their own back in the “own fault” league.
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| Quote ="Gallanteer"I've still got a few doubt about it but we'll just all have to see how it goes.
Knowing the RFL they'll probably change the format again by 2020 anyway (going on a six year average).'"
I'll give it 2-3 years before it's changed again.
Is there another competition in any sport that successfully uses this formula?
If the answer's no there's probably a reason.
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| Im quite certain I didn't say they wouldn't give their all, but for once in a long time some of those players who run out game 1 will in the back of their mind know they need to perform unless they want to be playing on the slope at Fev or at the LSV.
As a Rugby League fan do you not think 22 rounds of high intensity Super League games with meaningful outcomes might just be the slightest bit exciting for the fans?
Don't forget the "booby prize" is coming to play at Leigh???
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| So the bottom line is that the players will play more games for the same money, and fans will have to shell out for a lot more games outside of their season tickets.
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| This is a terrible decision. Another case of Chairman who want to keep being big fish in a small pond doing what is best for their club, at the detriment of the whole game.
'We need 13 home games a year' is bonkers when there are not 13 sustainably run clubs to finance the game. This proposal does nothing to sort out the real problem (i.e. clubs such as Cas who are never, ever going to be sustainable as a top-level club in the fully professional era), introduces vastly more risk to sustainable clubs (what with the loss of any ability to make plans beyond one season, due to the potential falling off a cliff and loss of SKY money if relegated), and creates a joke competition for crap teams (the bottom of the table playoffs).
The RFL need to take a long, hard look at themselves. Teams in towns of 50,000 people are not going to work as businesses, and there needs to be an acceptance of that. Clubs that cannot work must be merged, or kicked out permanently. Only once we develop a strong core of competitve, well-run clubs can we think of having a league in which promotion and relegation become viable. At the moment, we're asking a handful of the best to subsidise the impossible dreams of a morass of near-enough village teams.
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| Quote ="Binosh"Im quite certain I didn't say they wouldn't give their all, but for once in a long time some of those players who run out game 1 will in the back of their mind know they need to perform unless they want to be playing on the slope at Fev or at the LSV.
As a Rugby League fan do you not think 22 rounds of high intensity Super League games with meaningful outcomes might just be the slightest bit exciting for the fans?
Don't forget the "booby prize" is coming to play at Leigh???'"
why would they be bothered about playing at leigh or featherstone? If anything it just gives them an easier time rather than playing clubs who are closer to their standard. For example in a traditional relegation method London would be more bothered about playing bradford for a relegation match than leigh or featherstone. another failed scenario a long with the "lower teams should win more games so more fans will show up".
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| I was really pleased when I heard that promotion / relegation was going to return, it gives fans of all clubs their chance to dream.
But if supporters of clubs from outside S.L think this gimmick is manna from heaven, think again.
It’s like the drawbridge has been lowered, only to be slaughtered at the gate.
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| Quote ="Binosh"Im quite certain I didn't say they wouldn't give their all, but for once in a long time some of those players who run out game 1 will in the back of their mind know they need to perform unless they want to be playing on the slope at Fev or at the LSV.
As a Rugby League fan do you not think 22 rounds of high intensity Super League games with meaningful outcomes might just be the slightest bit exciting for the fans?
Don't forget the "booby prize" is coming to play at Leigh???'"
Will the games really be that exciting. We still have the top 8 so which was the half the reason we had none games. My biggest worry is long term, finances and attendances.
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