[iAwful night with the England RL situation. And as I believe it's more than gaz hock. And if it is then everyone must be given same treatment[/i - Bobbie Goulding

For those who says RL is not big news in the South: www.dunstabletoday.co.uk/sport/n ... -1-5612552 Even the hotbed of Dunstable has the story already!

For those who says RL is not big news in the South: www.dunstabletoday.co.uk/sport/n ... -1-5612552 Even the hotbed of Dunstable has the story already!

If that's the case and, as suspected, he's been scapegoated the management need dismissing even at this late stage otherwise the whole thing could run and get worse. If true the management / coach will already have lost any respect the had from the players.

What an absolute sham.

This could get horrible. Gale force wind, lashing rain and a shambolic England on the opening day. Once in a generation opportunity to be laughed at by 60 million Brits.

This is a fecking joke, but I suppose we really need to see what comes out in the wash tomorrow. If it's a case of getting the rotten apple out of the squad then that should be that. If more have been found in breach, then it leaves Macbannana with a serious dilemma: risk the squad imploding, or attempt a certain degree of damage limitation...

That may be true but mar is not an elite level athlete preparing for an event which should be the pinnacle of his career, representing his country before a worldwide audience.

Hock has previous, the others don't. Get over it.

According to senior Business Management all across the world, here are 3 types of employees.

1. Those that [ubuy into your Core Values[/u and [uCan do the Job[/u you need doing the way you want it done.

These people are great and are gold dust.....and few and far between.

2. Those that [ubuy into your Core Values [/uand [uCan't do the Job[/u you need doing the way you want it done.

These people are great as they can be taught/trained to do the job you need doing, the way you want it done.

3. Those that [udo not buy into your Core Values[/u, but can do the job you need doing, the way you want it done.

These are people that senior business leaders around the world all say should be removed form any environment that has intentions of growing/prospering. They are Toxic.

Now, regardless of his talent and ability to play the game, I would identify Hock as a "3"

It may be that "other" players were involved, but they are either #1 or #2 type people and therefore, there is a benefit to keeping them in the squad.

Quote ="Dally"For those who says RL is not big news in the South: www.dunstabletoday.co.uk/sport/n ... -1-5612552 Even the hotbed of Dunstable has the story already!'" Well it is Dullstable ...

Quote ="Dally"For those who says RL is not big news in the South: www.dunstabletoday.co.uk/sport/n ... -1-5612552 Even the hotbed of Dunstable has the story already!'" Well it is Dullstable ...

Looks like his reputation has proceeded him.

I'll hold off judging him until the facts are fully out.

If there is more than one person committing the same offence though, then that is grossly unfair regardless of Hocks dubious past.

If the RFL had spent as much money on books on strong management rather than books on spin marketing, then maybe, just maybe, nobody would be in a position to pre-judge him.
If, as has been rumoured, "other players" were involved and "even more players" are unhappy with the way it is being dealt with, then the only people who could contain and control this gossip are the RFL themselves.....

A strongly worded statement regarding the stance taken by the RFL, regardless of the eyes of the world being upon them and the RLWC, would have highlighted the core values that the sport adheres to and shown that they will not accept behaviour unbecoming of a capped England Rugby League International,....it would have show a game with backbone, a game with principles and maybe even would have galvanised the squad.......

...instead, we get


followed a few hours later by Dr Mar


...-weak management in my opinion and further proof of the unsuitability of the current RFL management to lead the game onwards and upwards.

I'm led to believe the RFL were going to announce an injury to Hock which necessitated his withdrawal from the England squad.

Twitter put paid to that



I look forward to making note of who is selected on Saturday and who might well be considered conspicuous by their absence from that line-up.

stop reading the MBA prospectus....

I actually thought it was quite accurate

Not with the roof closed!!!

Wind and rain aside, how will the roof sort out the shambolic England?

If thats Marwan attitude to team discipline they could sign Jonathan Thurston and Paul Gallen they will still struggle in the League.

And all the same noises were made "I'm being made a scapegoat, its not my fault its his fault" before wigan fired him off to Widnes.

If it is for drinking then he wont be alone unless he is an alcoholic and any player who has been drinking during the build up don't deserve their career, biggest opportunity to be proud of British Rugby League and some thick idiots are spoiling it.

It could collapse on top of 'em, that would be a start

No famine or pestilence? You're mellowing!

Anyone who thinks ferres is a better or equal replacement for hock is living in a dream world.
Shame hock is so numb upstairs.

Hope there's plenty of Voltarol at hand with all the knee-jerking going on here...

At least let the facts filter through before stringing them up to a lamppost.

The England coach needs to come out asap and reveal all the facts, the rumours will just keep coming otherwise.A line needs drawing under the situation fast so the rest of the squad can focus on the next few days to make sure we at least compete on saturday.

like TheButcher says, lets let all the facts filter through first.They will.

That's not the way we do things around here.

Now, where's my pitchfork?

Actually there is a theory that category 3 are your gold-dust - high performing people who don't buy into the corporate bull because that's what it is - but want to do a good job for themselves and the businesses' customers. ie people with integrity and standards who are not sheep there to please weak ineefectual middle management but people with their own drive and creativity. These are the people to be harnessed not people who pay lip service to the corporate ideal because they are generally just two faced with no integrity or loyalty. All this American business school nonsense you spout is short-termism that is destroying many big, successful businesses who built reputations over a century or more. The British banks and chocolate manufacturers being obvious examples.

Is bull your stock-in-trade?