I haven't seen the game yet but from what I am hearing this is all very symbolic of the wider problems within Super League, that being that there are too many clubs/teams/players that are just not up to scratch, combined with very little to play for for most teams. Realistically even the mid table teams know that they're only going to make it in to the play-offs to act as warm-ups for the top teams in the first round, before Leeds and Warrington get down the business of deciding who will play Wigan in the final. To sit there aiming digs specifically at Salford and Castleford is to miss the point entirely.

Rugby League fans have an unhealthy obsession with attendances. To some, it's like a religion and just like religion, full of vicious preacher's, hate, and pointlessness.

What's the point in dribbling on about it all the time?

It just seems a little odd to read a games attendance on a website and feel such indignation and offense that you take your pent-up sexual anger and vent it with like-minded individuals. There's plenty of issues that are worth getting angry about in our game and for me crowd figures are fairly low down on the list.

It's just a little bit weird, especially seeing as it's constantly spewd-out practically every week with the same conclusions and the same strokers harping-on about it.

If only that were true, we'd have huge crowds and no problems, but you use the word 'imagine' and I'm sorry to say imagination is exactly what it is. We're deluded in this sport about what we think attracts new fans - that's obvious from our abject failure to do outside the M62.

Interested to hear what issues are more important than attendances. Not saying there aren't any, but what are the ones that push attendances so low down the list?

For both set of players they're reasons to put in effort and the answer is in part of what you wrote.

For Salford players, they will be concerned that they won't be there next year once signings start to be made......so they should be effectively putting themselves in the shop window so to speak. Likewise for Castleford, they'll have a new coach soon and don't know if they'll fit into his plans.....also just sporting pride of not wanting to lose a game, not wanting to finish bottom.....that might not bother you if you were in the same position but that says more about you.

As for criticising effort....well that's much more harder to judge than questioning the skill level.....probably why the doom mongers like to point to it so much. The saddest part is a few people will have decided BEFORE the game that their wasn't going to be enough effort. Any knock-on, any try conceded predetermined to be because of 'lack of effort'.

And as for 'the extra spur of relegation' I again point to the Reading vs QPR played today. Reading with a record of 2pts from 33 possible in the run in.......hardly 'spurred on' and not just them but sport is filled with teams that went down with a wimper. Also how can the NRL be consistently praise for intensity even though they don't have relegation......yet its another nail in the coffin over here in SL?

Oh, I’m sure their putting themselves in the shop window, however, it’ll be an Aldi rather than a Sainsbury’s.




I love your analysis of my psyche, however, after playing & watching teams battling to avoid the drop, my experiences are all too real, as opposed to whether I’ll see my team win the GF or CC, or even both – like yourself.



If you believe that both sets of players gave their all, well that’s your opinion.




Your Premier League analogy is hardly a fair comparison, I wonder if the League 2 clubs went down with such a whimper?

With regard to the NRL, the intensity of which you speak is still high at this time of the season, but come the back end it’s not all that from the teams out of the equation.

So say the "many" fans of Salford & London.

The RFL, via their minimum requirements for membership of SL and the Financial Directors of those clubs, who have to pay the bills of those clubs, may beg to differ.

Just ask Mr Hudgell.

PS - Well done Fev & Fax.

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Why a Wakefield follower should show such interest in the home attendances at the 2 lowest clubs in Super league, and also mention London,may indicate some worry for the future for Wakefield in Super League.
Attendances throughout the sport should be a concern as should the impecuniosity of a number of clubs.
It does rile me that there are so many comments and derision without any ideas offered on how to improve things.
Featherstone have been developing on and off the field since 2008,when Daryl Powell became head coach,and to have a high attendance with a 3pm k.o on a Sunday will surprise no one.
You needn't concern yourself with the people paying the bills at Salford.I believe the RFL will be very pleased.


It may ameliorate your heartfelt heartache over the attendance at Salford if I inform you that the occasion was deemed as 'Ladies Day' and so all of those people who took advantage of that may not have been added to the final figure.
Now,how about informing the Financial Directors,who are very busy at Salford reviving what only a few months ago was a corpse,how to attract spectators to the stadia ?

So Salford have declared a lower number than actually attended?? Give your head a shake.

There was not as many there as claimed.

The whole game needs sustainable clubs at every level. Salford, currently, are not sustainable.

The promised land of Manchester and the Media City, with the BBC tossing themselves off over the Reds is a myth of Biblical proportions.

Salford will be nothing more than a bloody good pay day for players looking for that final pension top up.

So wowcher vouchers weren't counted in the attendance then?

Still ignoring the point about Salford's issue with season tickets for this season?

Why should NOT being a season ticket holder stop you from attending games?

What a bitter man you are. Unfortunately I cannot add the word knowledgeable too.

There were 2.306 paying spectators last night. Additionally a few season ticket holders - for the reasons mentioned on this thread. Also the Dining Suite attendees were not added. Many of whom stayed indoors watching the game on the screens. My estimate for the total crowd there last night would be over 3,500 but dont let that figure upset your constant sniping. As a Wakey fan you must be very envious that Dr Marwan will ensure that the Reds will be very successful.

It is the case in any popular sport league here, exactly the same in soccers lower league, RU's prem, that the vast majority of the crowds week in week out are people that committed with a season ticket at the start of the season.

Judge Salford next year.

Are salfords season ticket prices cheaper than the walk up prices?

Because it costs a whole fiver more to roll up and pay on the day than it does to pre-purchase 13 home games....that fiver, or 65 quid over the season is blatantly the reason why the Marketing Department at Salford seem unable to attract "new" fans to the "new" stadium.

......it has nothing to do with the fact that the markating at Salford is pathetic.

Dr CashCow is mistaken if he believes reaching CC final or making the play-offs will draw the fans in the numbers he dreams of........10,000 is the self sufficiency number...generating about 2 million in ticketing revenue and the same again in residuals.....until they get there, he will be picking up the slack...currently about $1,400,000 a year.......in ticket sales and the same again in residuals.

Salford have broken a 5k average once in the last 40 years......it will take more than a cashed up owner or even a cashed up owner and a winning team to get them to twice that number.

At 3,000 average at say 15 notes a ticket, Salford are currently generating 585k in ticket sales,say the same again in residuals and have 1.3 million from SKY........so about 2,500,000 a year.......if you want to play with the big boys like Leeds and Wigan, you need to get closer to 3 times that turn over.....is the good Dr OK with 5 million a year in the HOPE that it all comes good?

As I say, I wish Salford well, as I do all teams, but as it stands, all we have at present is a new owner who talks a great story, but has delivered little except a P45 to a coach.

Why on Earth would those people NOT be counted?

There was nothing near 2500 never mind 3500.

It's head up blinkered ness like that, that got you into the mess in the first place.

The Stadium Company control the ticketing but not the Banquetting numbers. Your estimate is way out I can assure you. The errors made by the previous administration was to OVER estimate the gate. Those lessons have been learned.

That is the announce attendance, correct...


Meanwhile, if fairy land where the pixies live...



The attendance at the game was 2,306......no amount of pixie dust will change this....




London Broncos have had a benefactor quietly pumping 1.5 million +into our club for the last 5 years or more......believe me when I say that I wish Salford well, but I repeat, all the Good Dr has delivered so far was a P45 to a coach who was hamstrung.

Yep. IIRC Wigan turnover around £7m and Leeds around £11m and both are making profits. Which is why I hope the good Dr doesn't make the mistake of ONLY investing in players and heavily invests in building the club into a modern, professional one in all areas.
Leeds best signings haven't been Ali Lauitiiti, Iestyn Harris or Jamie Peacock but Gary Hetherington & Peter Hirst (finance director) in '96 who steadily "professionalised" the club and Rob Oates in 2003 who has tripled the corporate income at Leeds in 9/10 years.

So you're now making up unfounded cr@p to improve your argument. Congratulations. There were at least 1,000 in the main stand behind the cameras, plus close to 1,000 in the other 2 populated stands.

Salfords season was a write off from day one. The fact that the team is even mildly competitive is a miracle, as is the fact that the club is still in existence. Rome was not built in a day, and I'm not even a Salford supporter. Are you jealous of them perhaps?

Ed Farish, seems a very capable CEO, and with two directors like Graham Lowe and Andrew Chalmers, Koukash clearly wanted to put in place the sort of experts that will help build the club. Now throw into the mix Brian Noble, who has been accredited with laying the foundations for Wigan's resurgence, and I'd say Koukash is building a pretty damn good team to run the club.

Since he took over the club, a very ordinary player, Ryan Boyle, has been replaced with the more powerful and athletic Jake Emmit, and likewise Howarth with Gaskell. Both were excellent pieces of business, and granted he's achieved nothing, so far, but the early signs are good for the Koukash era.

1. Wigans reseurgence is down to Ian Lenegan.....it has SFA to do with Noble.
2. Unless your name was Phil Veivers

These experienced experts record of turning round low profile struggling RL clubs in England is where exactly?

I fail to see how dboy questioning the "made up figures" of the previous poster can be called in itself "making stuff up".
Every ticketed fan in the ground added up to 2,306, regardless of the claims that corporates weren't counted and neither were the ladies there on Ladies night......2,306 was the recorded attendance at the game and no amount of assumptions is ever going to change it!

The OP in this thread claimed the crowd was small...the viewers could see for themselves that it was a small crowd and insane claims of uncounted attendees just makes some posters look more and more desperate.

Salford average attandance is 2,961 this year.........43% down on 2012 and about 36% down on the last year at the ground that was apparently the reason fans stayed away........



As it stands, the Salary cap will restrict Dr CashCows ability to buy success....even if it's raised, but if idiots on here think using 50% of the cap to sign a couple of marquee players will attract 10,000 fans then they need their bumps felt.