Looking forward to seeing our Leigh forwards, up against Kylie Leuluai and Richard Moore. But if we lose !!!????
Seriously though, feel sorry for any Hunslet forward who has no chance of playing on Sunday, because of those 2.
It's a little scary this season, with 'established' SL players being loaned out to championship clubs. it distorts the league somewhat. Proud of the fact that we are 'going it alone' but have 1st option on most 'young' squad/academy Wigan players.

What would happen if the coach of the Championship team didn't want to play the SL player who's come 'down', has he got a say in that?

Sorry if that's already covered in this thread, didn't want to trawl through what would probably be a load of bickering and crying

dunno Steve, any we have had at Leigh, even Wire's Ryan Shaw who wasn't very good, started every game. Maybe the odd 'subs bench' appearance, but think most always started each ame after they arrived.

Whitehaven were offered 3 DR players by St Helens for Sunday's game against York but refused because there coach wanted to see how his own players went.

I don't agree with DC but I can see the argument for putting 2 Under 20's in a matchday team or 4 in a squad as that means potentially 2 or 3 can develop in a decent league and the Championship club doesn't get too affected by players leaving to go back and play for the parent club at the last minute (in effect its like losing a player injured).
5 in a matchday team however is far is too many , 11 in a squad is a poor show by the club they are at (a question could be should they be in the 2nd tier of our sport if they need 11 players from another club to compete ?).

Playing establised SL players (especially ones who appeared in a GF in October) is a farce and belittles the whole concept, it however also shows the RFL as slow to react IMHO as I suspect even the RFL didn't think this would happen - probably a loophole but unlike in RU or football when a loophole is exposed and the governing body does a press release explaining how they will close it ours say nothing and hope it goes away.
I don't think it will.

If left untouched the Championship will consist of SL's players back from injury or poor form of all ages and nationalities and I suspect the youngsters who people stated they wanted to see get game time against 'grown men' in the Championship to develop won't get a look in as the parent clubs tell the training club that they want them to play x,y or z SL player to get him fit, of course the training clubs chairmen will look at the chance of getting a well known SL player playing for his club as a great idea as they seemingly tend to think short term when it comes to decisions involving money.
Id say most long term low league fans are a bit sick of the disrespect shown in this (ie : should I be happy paying £18.00 - £20.00 to watch a clubs reserves / SL players trying to get fit) thus when I stop going as I get fed up with wasteting my leisure money (especially with so many other sports / activities chasing that leisure money) and my club starts to struggle to fund the kind of players these youngsters need (supposedly) to play against the SL youngsters are then left with playing against kids of their own age again !

Problem being by then the game may have lost 6 or 7 semi pro clubs and the supporters with them - I'd argue thats not what a minority sport needs, but then again I'm just a fan who follows a Championship club.

Whitehaven were offered 3 saints players last week clough and wheeler were two of them.our coach declined as he said he want to give our players who had done preseason a chance to cement a place in the team.We now have coming up 2 games in 5 days and crack is we have been offered Gardner,clough and wheeler.I think we will see at least one play.But I agree the DR system was never ment to give established SL players game time it was about developing young players.As soon as they removed the age limit on players registered this was bound to happen.

This but the main reason is the RFLs ridiculous decision to scrap the U20s. This was always going to happen as clubs need to get their players match fit somehow....

It was the clubs that decided to cost cut and drop the u20s.

Does it matter when you use them, if your coach from now until the end of the season uses DR players? That's no different to some other clubs who are playing the system as it should be already. Weren't Whitehaven one of the first to jump in to bed with a SL club as well!!!!!

no we were not so dont try and blame us for this fiasco,hunslet with leeds,dews with bradford,rochdale with saints etc all before we linked up.Yes it does matter how you use them,unlike york who dropped 5 of their own players to play 5 DR players from hull,or like hunslet who brought in 2 SL regulars or swinton.Once you remove the age restriction on DR,and start restricting the numbers you can play instead of restricting the number you can register this was always going to be the case.A mess created by the rfl

Keighley Signing up with Castleford ' Citing ' fear of relegation

Fantastic result Mr Wood

Completely contrary to the spirit of our once great game. RIP Championship rugby. Nigel Wood you are officially a PR1CK

Ade Gardner too now?

Joke.

This system needs changing NOW.

I've spoken before about the Championship clubs being feeder clubs to the Super League sides like in Australia but I meant with young players gaining experience and not players in their 30s running out.

UKBA have now stepped in and stopped KL playing on DR for Hunslet

Everyones blaming the RFL when really its the 2/3rds of the SL clubs who couldnt afford to keep the under 21 's so this is the result of this, its the teams like Leeds and Warrington who were teams that wanted to keep the under21's, are exploting the rules now just because they can.
The silly Championship chairman of the clubs thats have agreed to partner with SL clubs are really just putting a nail in the coffin of what was a good competitive league, which last year had some great closely contested ,matches, now its become a farce and will result in driving the crowds away. If anyone thinks these fans will watch the SL teams instead they are deluded.
Surely the RFL should give step in and sort the mess out and bring in something in salary cap that would allow the SL clubs not to spend all their money on the first team but save some to invest in the futureof our game, ie the young players coming through.

Meeting at Red Hall with SL chairmen and Nigel Wood,

"Nigel, we need to increase attendances at SL matches, any ideas?"

"How about attracting people who already fans?"

"Good idea, but where are these people?"

"At championship clubs. We totally devalue their league and they stop going to watch and come to SL matches instead! Dual Registration system anyon?"

"Wow Nigel. Genius. Almost as good as everything you did when at Halifax. You'll never beat that fantastic Bluesox nickname. You certainly deserve that post and salary Nigel"

Like most things there is opportunity here, but some people are letting their personal issues blind them and their parochialism lead them.

If you step back and look at the situation, there are plenty of positives in this arrangement, for SL clubs and for the lower league clubs. But as usual certain parties are only focusing on the negatives and howling in the wind about how everything should be wrecked and started again. That shouldn’t happen.

In isolation, I don’t think it is a particularly bad thing for, even mature players, playing in the championship to regain form/fitness. I don’t think it is a bad thing, in fact I think it is a pretty good thing that young players who aren’t quite at SL level are playing at a slightly lower level. It is what should happen.

the question seems to be over the independence of the clubs, with them being seen by some as less than even a junior partner and more a reserve side for SL clubs. So the issue isn’t that better young players are playing in the Championships because that is undeniably a good thing, nor is it established players regaining form and fitness in the championships, again this is how it should work. The issue is how we get the championships to function as a development pool for Super League, where young players have a clear pathway of which the lower leagues are an important and integral part, where more established players can regain form and fitness which brings up the playing standards, but where the competition is worthwhile in its own right and where clubs retain their character and independence but are seen as part of a cog in the machine, not as a reserve or youth side. Those are the issues to address and the solution to find.

Whilst having a pop at Nigel Wood may be fun, and there are plenty of fat jokes to go around, im sure some of them are even funny, and whilst the woe is me crowd seem so blinded to opportunity by their negativity that if they fell in a barrel of boobs they would come up sucking their own thumb, there is a real opportunity here for the championship clubs to reinvent themselves and set in their place and importance to the wider game. Perhaps even get the opposite of what they are fearing and rather than see this as an attempt to steal fans from the lower leagues to SL but an opportunity to get SL fans watching some lower league rugby.

Opportunity for who. The only blind person here is you Smokey. Wire and Leeds have stuck two fingers up to the system. They are now also stuck as to how they get their quota players match fit as the UKBA have quite rightly stepped in to put a stop to players breaching their vias conditions. Nigel (£300k) Wood thought he could get away with it. In fact I reckon this problem was only thought about in the last couple of weeks. Tony Smith alluded to it a few days ago, and the UKBA have for the time being anyway put a spoke in the wheels of greed. Pay the players less boys and you could afford to develop your youth and our game.

Well Bradford have now had clearance from UKBA for Adrian Purtell to play for Dewsbury, so I wouldn't expect any further problems for other clubs/players.

Opportunity for everyone.

Why does every dealing the clubs have to be confrontational? Why is it Leeds and Wire sticking two fingers up at the system and not simply using an imperfect system to get the best results they can? When you strip away the identity issue (Which I agree needs to be addressed) and the petty parochialism (which is, as it should ignored) then it is a good thing that this quality of player is playing in the lower leagues. It is better for them to have a better quality of player.

The UKBA were aware of the situation, they had been informed and are making a more permanent change to address that issue, and have infact already made allowances.

And it isn’t all about greed, look at what Leeds and Hunslet are doing, look at what they are doing in the schools around leeds and GH and BMs plans for amateur and schools coaching. It is absolutely outstanding. Leeds are a club which makes profits and turns over £13m, the roughly 10% of that they spend on wages doesn’t stop them investing in youth development.

Remove your victim mentality, ignore your parochialism, they aren’t out to get you, stop being bitter, there are many many benefits to this system, that a pathway from amateur, through lower leagues, to SL isn’t an attack on the lower leagues, it is the ideal, it is the best situation for amateur, lower league and SL clubs.

There is an issue with identity, I think everyone accepts that. I don’t think anyone sees a long term future with the championships as a reserve side or youth side. But when we solve that issue of how we stop championship clubs being identified as reserve sides or youth sides then we have a good structure for the game. My view that you are blinded by petty parochialism is based on the fact that rather than look for solutions to that issue, rather than look for a way to promote the character and identities of clubs under this or a similar system, you just complain that it is happening in the first place. Having the best youngsters, and mature players returning to form/fitness playing for lower league teams is a good thing for everyone involved.

Isn't that under the regular loan system (i.e. minimum 1 month) rather than dual registration?

Smokey,

I have a sow's ear and would like a purse.

Over to you

(although I do agree about youth development but maybe over an extended load period?)

SL1 = 8 teams. Top team straight to GF, 2nd & rd teams GF eliminator

SL2 = 12 or 14 teams

So we are cutting the biggest revenue streams for SL1 in half? What is the supposed benefit of this?