It's not a sport , you've told us many many times , it's a business

And yet nobody on this thread has suggested they should give up on expansion , just that it should be done differently , more successfully perhaps

Aah the Rugby League family. So caring.

Nobody has suggested it should have been given to any other such clubs , as for their importance to the game , well at least it would seem they will still be in existence next season , so I'd say yes more important than a club that might not be in existence next year

Yep

This was noted years ago by most of us!

Seems strange that you are happy to damage championship one with what you wouldn’t damage the championship. And why no relegation? Leigh’s lack of relegation didn’t damage the championship. And why no parachute payment? The RFL are funding them, it seems odd that you have a problem with that being via a parachute payment.

Especially with your reference to low profile opposition (as if Leigh or Halifax are ‘high profile) it seems as if you think that the people of Wales not being interested in following their team against towns they have never heard of in a new sport to them will prove something?

Surely you don’t need someone to explain to you its both. You’re apparently an adult

Really? More successfully you say?

I have yet to hear anything from your flatcappness that looks remotely ‘more successful’ in relation to expansion. Just a long stream of nonsense ideas which boil down to two things, a long and pointless stay of expansion sides at a low level because you’re that naïve you believe that not selling lower league RL and lower league sides to expansion areas will prove RL cant be sold to those areas and Leigh wont be overtaken from them. And secondly give lots of money to lower league sides ( lower league sides meaning Halifax and leigh and formerly Widnes, not London, Sheffield, French Elite sides, definitely not Welsh lower league sides etc etc)

Well, you've banged the drum about it just being a business so often this last post is laughable. So now it's back to a sport AND a business. You're as flaky as a 99

A sport without the added edge of mattering if you're pants on the pitch - hence this years super league was over for half its clubs months ago!

What is the point in taking points off a club for administration if you reward them by keeping them in super league? Incentive that eh?

So yeah, just a business then. Bit like WWE

Seems strange that you are happy to =#FF0000:3cqsiauddamage championship one with what you wouldn’t damage the championship

As there is no relegation at this minute from Championship 1 I doubt the other clubs would have a problem with a Crusaders club playing to the same rules as themselves , if you want to call it a parachute payment , then fine as long as it also precludes them from promotion at the expense of another club , you can call it what you want

No I was reffering to any club outside SL as being ' low profile ' , but it seems you would want them playing in the Championships to different rules again , and you dont see this as a problem , so you want to make the same mistakes again , most people try to learn from them , you obviously dont

And yet this IS exactly what I have suggested , but I have suggested that they should not be allowed to profit ON the pitch because of this money

I would think that is quite fair , unlike yourself , who it seems wants certain clubs to be favoured both off and on the pitch by the RFL

I do wonder if the RFL had pumped 3million quid into jnr and grass roots development rather than funding an ill fated SL club how much stronger the game and future foundations in Wales would now be?

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If you think I had said anything different then you're as dumb as a rock.

You really arent making any sense at all. You want Crusaders to exist, but not if they can't be relegated from the championship, but you're happy for them not to be relegated from championship 1. You want them to play by the same rules as everyone else (Lets avoid the point about how many clubs in the championships are relying on overseas players and how many clubs are breaking salary caps, we wouldnt want you to look too much of a hypocritical fool would we?) even though they arent in the same position as everyone else (i wonder how leigh would be doing if they needed to pay a premium for players who had come through SL academies to move to join them) and you are happy for them to be funded by the RFL, but if they get a parachute payment that immediately precludes them from being promoted(and it also precludes them from playing by the same rules as everyone else)

So to some up, you want a crusaders club which cannot compete because of the salary cap, to play at the lowest professional level so that people can see the lowest level of professional rugby league, you want them to play by the same rules as everyone else but you are happy for them to not play by the same rules as everyone if it disadvantages them and you want them funded by the RFL but that self-same funding precludes them from moving forward.


This is Starbugs guaranteed successful approach to expansion.

Diddums. So, to summarize please list who you think is to blame for the failure of Crusaders. I'll start and finish your list, you just fill in the rest.

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8. The RFL.

Away you go with all your bollax . . . .

No, id be happy to see them in the championships if the rules were fair and allowed them to compete on a level playing field. Unfortunately doing that would mean removing/changing a fair few rules which actually benefit the heartland clubs.

Im happy to leave the decision over whether we remove/change the rules to allow a level playing field or whether we simply apply them to Crusaders (and any other club in a similar position) to the heartland clubs.

Maybe if you spent less time thinking up bollax you can attribute to me and then argue against and more time thinking about you were saying, you might avoid talking so much bollax.

I don't have to spend any time thinking - the crap you put on here is plentiful. It runs on here like a tap. You don't like it up you do you son?

It definately shows.

As I put earlier , I am happy for them to receive extra financial assistance from the RFL as long as they don't profit from it ON field , so assistance to help them establish themselves as a business , as for quotas I would suggest they were allowed extra Dual Registration and loan players for a set period , given that there are going to be 5 SL clubs within a 40 minute drive of Wrexham , I don't really see why they would need to employ expensive overseas players

It would seem you think they are doomed to failure unless they are allowed to break all the rules of the sport , if that is the case then they aren't worth having

So to sum up , you want them to make all the same mistakes they have already done in the last 5 years , again

This is Smokeys guaranteed successful approach to expansion