didnt Widnes go bust 2 years ago and have to be reformed??

No, we went into administration and the club was sold to Steve O Connor.

So the frequent assertion by some some wakey posters that the wakey case was the test case is utter rubbish. We agree.

The suggestion that a high evel agreement between HMRC and the RFL has been overruled by a rogue 'case officer' is quaint.

There is no agreement, hence the Leeds case.

As the Leeds case is not about establishing liability in itself but rather about the size of that liability, HMRC are under no obligation to postpone collection in similar cases until it is determined by the courts.

Yes there is.

According to the BBC website (which I'm sure you are all capable of finding on your own), the pension problem goes back (suprise, suprise) to the Leighton Samuel era and the club will be making a statement later. However it also describes the winding up petition as 'unconfirmed', which we know it isn't.

I did wonder that, surely a journo would know first point of call would be the HMRC website to see if it was up there. No club is going to come out shouting about it are they.

Very poor by all involved to leave Samuel's debts hanging though... surely the first thing a new owner does is sort the old one's mess out so then they have a clean slate to start with? It's interesting Widnes were told we cannot fully distance ourselves from the previous regieme... what will happen here? I have seen a few mentions to 'new club' but it does seem to be when the cap fits so to speak.

Er...no.

See a post above. Separate limited companies (as you would expect).

For all the rubbishing of Wakey fans saying that the HMRC were testing the water with Wakefield, here we are with another club a couple of weeks later, and runours from more than one source that a club very close to Wakefield will get a similar demand very shortly (the importance of that one being, of course, that any money spent appeasing the taxman cannot go towards turning the outline planning permission into full permission, and it has been said that their outline permission expires on 23rd November).

I thought their were two seperate and then brought under one? On here their are links to Three companies on HMRC lists. Football, Rugby and then the emaligination of the two?

Well posts on other boards seem to suggest they come under one, and then theres Wrexham Village (?) all very confusing. But with players as far back as July claiming 'the club didn't give a rats ass about them' on twitter/fb etc it makes you wonder what the hell is going on. Also I doubt John Sharps claim is anything to do with a pension, more to do with unfair dismissal I think

Time will tell and I expect it all to be 'spun' under the carpet with help from the RFL of course. Don't forget they have 'opened a dialogue'.

I would think those rumours are wishful thinking as they all seem to be originating out of wakefield and theres not even been a whisper in cas.

Just looked at the Companies Court Winding Up List for tomorrow. There are two of our clubs listed, one being Oldham (again) and the other is Wakefield which I assume will be withdrawn as it is supposed to have been paid hasn't it

Thought that was last weeks

No.

Nope, says 3rd November. Wonder if this is why RLFans haven't moved any clubs about the boards as they usually do at the end of the season. The RFL can't confirm the makeup of the leagues as they don't know how many will be still in existence. Blackpool apparently have till Friday to sort themselves out or they are out.

Maybe Sir Rodney's cheque bounced?

I think you may be correct. The Planning committe recomended approval on 29th November 2007 but according to the planning website the decision notice was issued on 21st June 2010 after the completion of the section 106 agreement was signed dated 18th June 2010 so the OPP may still stand untii June 2013.

But I am no expert and will stand corrected

I think the last hearing was adjourned for 7 days for confirmation that the cheque was not rubber!

To be fair (as far as I know and apologies if I'm wrong) you went into Administration (so the club was insolvent) and Steve O Connor bought the club out of Administration (so the club moved forward within a new limited company, leaving behing the debts of the "old" company in Administration).

Sounds an awful lot like going bust and reforming to me.

We did not go bust 2 years ago.

To buy a club out of admin you pay off debts. That's how it works. Potential new owners put in an offer to pay debt off e.g. 20p for every pound. The best offer gets the administrators backin then once people owed debts agree it all goes through.

To go bust would mean wiping Widnes RLFC off the map entirely and start again from scratch.

That isn't how it works at all, I think you're confusing Administration with CVA.

Link... www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/ ... inding.htm Also says can pay up anytime before to avoid action, so what has happened here?

Link... www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/ ... inding.htm Also says can pay up anytime before to avoid action, so what has happened here?

Well whenever clubs are in the news for administration (Leeds united & Pompey) that's how it's all explained!