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| Quote ="tb"I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about.
Unless you're suggesting that 'at the coal face in the real world' wherever that is, ignoring the law is both standard and acceptable?'"
Which is something that happens at the majority of RL clubs
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| Quote ="Starbug"Do Castleford pay minimum wage to all it's academy players for the set number of hours they train play and travel to matches ?
Answer , NO
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Your knowledge of the details of Castleford RLFC's finances and the wage packets of its employees is impressive. Are you a Wakefield fan?
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| Quote ="tb"I don't know that at all.
=#FF0000I do know that there has never, in 115 years, been any such promotion and relegation. It's hardly a new thing invented by the current people in charge at Red Hall.
I also know that there hasn't been any campaign - or as far as I'm aware a single post on these boards in the 10 years the site's existed - demanding that such automatic promotion and relegation be introduced, least of all by the posters constantly demanding that P&R is the lifeblood of sport, without which it is meaningless (but only if it means their club being promoted to SL, not if it means their club being relegated to the Conference).'"
So you are suggesting that us , the fans of Championship clubs should protest on the behalf of who exactly ?
To bring in something that has never existed and that nobody has ever asked to exist ?
I will take up the mantle on behalf of those clubs right now
Any club or fan of any amatuer club wanting to get promotion and relegation to and from the amatuer ranks into the Championship regardless of what happens between the Championship and SL , please post on here then I can offer my help in achieving said goal
I'm sure the poster known as tb will also pledge to help you
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| Quote ="tb"Your knowledge of the details of Castleford RLFC's finances and the wage packets of its employees is impressive. Are you a Wakefield fan?'"
So you havent a clue have you
But you do know that Wheldon road did not comply with the stated criteria for admission to SL , and the RFL kindly changed it to allow you to return , something they refused other clubs
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| Quote ="tb"I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about.
Unless you're suggesting that 'at the coal face in the real world' wherever that is, ignoring the law is both standard and acceptable?'"
I am suggesting you remind me so much of a non wealth creator who has flourished under the previous governments love affair with red tape, eg HSE, claims lawyers, auditors, local govt sponger etc
The real world is where people create wealth and jobs through ideas, passion and hard work. Who have thrown all they have into a venture and consequently stand or fall on their results. Try it one day, have an idea support it with passion, instead of picking others apart.
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| Quote ="Starbug"So you are suggesting that us , the fans of Championship clubs should protest on the behalf of who exactly ? '"
I'm suggesting that people who claim that automatic promotion and relegation is a fundamental principle of rugby league should be consistent.
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I'm sure the poster known as tb will also pledge to help you'"
No. Because I happen to think the current system is right. Clubs should only move up to the semi-pro ranks when they're ready - and any application should be judged on a range of on and off-field criteria. And similarly, clubs should only move from the semi-pro to professional ranks when they're ready, and any application should be judged on a range of on and off-field criteria.
I'm not the only demanding that automatic promotion and relegation based solely on on-field performance in one season is some sort of sacred principle. And I'm not the one hypocritically ignoring the fact that demanding it between semi-pro and professional ranks, but not between amateur and semi-pro ranks rather defeats the argument that it is a sacred principle which is at the core of the sport and always has been, when that is clearly not the case.
Quote ="Starbug"But you do know that Wheldon road did not comply with the stated criteria for admission to SL '" I know that Wheldon Road met the criteria in force for promotion at the end of the 2005 and 2007 seasons. And we carried out changes to the ground to meet those criteria. Whether they did or didn't meet some previous criteria that weren't in force at the times of our promotions is irrelevant.
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| Quote ="tb"I'=#FF0000m suggesting that people who claim that automatic promotion and relegation is a fundamental principle of rugby league should be consistent.
No. Because I happen to think the current system is right. Clubs should only move up to the semi-pro ranks when they're ready - and any application should be judged on a range of on and off-field criteria. And similarly, clubs should only move from the semi-pro to professional ranks when they're ready, and any application should be judged on a range of on and off-field criteria.
I'm not the only demanding that automatic promotion and relegation based solely on on-field performance in one season is some sort of sacred principle. And I'm not the only hypocritically ignoring the fact that demanding it between semi-pro and professional ranks, but not between amateur and semi-pro ranks rather defeats the argument that it is a sacred principle which is at the core of the sport and always has been. When that is clearly not the case.
I know that Wheldon Road met the criteria in force for promotion at the end of the 2005 and 2007 seasons. And we carried out changes to the ground to meet those criteria. Whether they did or didn't meet some previous criteria that weren't in force at the times of our promotions is irrelevant.'"
So find me a post by anybody suggesting there should not be P and R between amatuer and Championship ?
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| Quote ="tb"=#FF0000I know that Wheldon Road met the criteria in force for promotion at the end of the 2005 and 2007 seasons. And we carried out changes to the ground to meet those criteria. Whether they did or didn't meet some previous criteria that weren't in force at the times of our promotions is irrelevant.'"
You also know that that criteria was changed to suit Castleford Tigers and the stadium wheldon road
I'm also sure the vast majority of Castleford Tigers fans I met in 2007 would admit it as well , they unlike your good self dont thrive on B******t , you have lived in London far too long
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| I am curious, to show my colours I am a Director and shareholder in a transport company employing 2000 people across the UK
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| Quote ="tb"Irrelevant. Whether, eg Bramley Buffaloes, want to be promoted to Championship 1 after winning their fourth minor premiership in a row (and when they won their first grand final iirc the division they play in was called NL3)=#FF0000:1s2361a7 the point is that the semi-pro clubs don't offer them the opportunity
Not true as the semi pro clubs dont have that power
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| Quote ="maurice"I am curious, to show my colours I am a Director and shareholder in a transport company employing 2000 people across the UK'"
Does that make you better than anyone as a person or your opinion on the principles of sport or how to run a sport better?
No.
So what it has to do with this thread I don't know.
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| Quote ="maurice"I am curious, to show my colours I am a Director and shareholder in a transport company employing 2000 people across the UK'"
Do you run Jackson's coaches? If so I apologise as I was once sick on one of your coaches on the way back from Wigan baths.
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| I suggest there should not be P and R between amatuer and Championship and here's for why.............
I want my own club to be protected if we ever fall into a sticky patch. We almost relegated from NL1 in 2004 - God knows what would have happened had we gone down a league. Amateur clubs mixing with semi-professional clubs? The very thought makes me wince. This is a private club, we don't want no oiks from the amateur leagues up here with us.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Does that make you better than anyone as a person or your opinion on the principles of sport or how to run a sport better?
No.
So what it has to do with this thread I don't know.'"
It certainly does not make me or anyone better than the next. As stated I am curious, I may have put him in the wrong locker.
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| Quote ="maurice"I am curious, to show my colours I am a Director and shareholder in a transport company employing 2000 people across the UK'"
I am a managing director of a small engineering design company and have links with rugby league management. In my opinion the policy, procedures and decision making within the RFL is atrocious and from my viewpoint is a major concern.
My proposal is for Mr Wood and Mr Lewis to sell Rugby League to the marketplace.............perhaps they could appear on Dragons Den.
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| Quote ="maurice"It certainly does not make me or anyone better than the next. As stated I am curious, I may have put him in the wrong locker.'"
Are you trying to say you judge people on the type of job they do now? Will your opinion of him change if he tells you a certain job that suits your fancy?
I just don't see how this is relevant to anything other than you attempting to boost your ego. It's showing a lack of character from where I'm sitting.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"I am a managing director of a small engineering design company and have links with rugby league management. In my opinion the policy, procedures and decision making within the RFL is atrocious and from my viewpoint is a major concern.
My proposal is for Mr Wood and Mr Lewis to sell Rugby League to the marketplace.............perhaps they could appear on Dragons Den.'"
Again, what does your line of work have to do with anything?
Unless you're actually involved in sports management at a fairly high level, anything said on this forum is said without a great deal of inside information. You've already shown earlier you have none by suggesting getting rid of the Magic Weekend and replacing it with nothing (hence plunging clubs ever further into debt).
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| Oh, and still the question I asked earlier hasn't been answered. You would think that it would be easy to reel off a list of answers since Lewis and Wood are apparently that bad.
So come on then, who are all these better administrators in the past? Who has taken RL more forward than Lewis and Wood?
I'll throw in another one: who could replace them?
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"
So come on then, who are all these better administrators in the past? Who has taken RL more forward than Lewis and Wood?
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Bill Fallowfield who got the game national exposure on both channels at the time against all the odds.
The fact that the clubs blew the opportunity, as they seem to have a knack of doing, shows how little things have changed over the years
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| Quote Unfortunatley we dont think it's that funny to tell the truth , A nice shiny stadium slowly bleeding us dry and a dwindling fan base with little enthusiasm to watch a team unable to climb the ladder because of our location '"
You are unable to climb the ladder because you don't meet the requirements to be in SuperLeague, you are a feeder team and not a very good one.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Are you trying to say you judge people on the type of job they do now? Will your opinion of him change if he tells you a certain job that suits your fancy?
I just don't see how this is relevant to anything other than you attempting to boost your ego. It's showing a lack of character from where I'm sitting.'"
I was speaking to Maurice, but if you want to gatecrash with your blinkered minority viewpoints, then join in, but lets not have all this dogma stuff.
In answering some of your question in part, with respect to Richard Lewis. This fellow was in charge of of the british lawn tennis association but was heavily criticised in his policy of bias towards the top end of players only and neglecting players at grass root level (so to speak). When the policy failed the LTA was left in turmoil and dropped down to the 3rd tier of the Davis Cup. Luckily the sport is now on the upturn, no thanks to Ricky.
I can see his same policies being applied here, looking after superleague while everyhing else withers, its a big risk because if superleague fails (sky), then we will not recover, as there is no basic structure beneath it.......................then we will have to look at the Bill Fallowfield archives, perhaps.
For Nigel Wood, i will let some of the older Halifax fans answer this one.
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I can see his same policies being applied here, looking after superleague while everyhing else withers, its a big risk because if superleague fails (sky), then we will not recover, as there is no basic structure beneath it..'"
We've got more development officers and a better spread of the amateur game than ever before.
Oh, you're one of those that feels "everything" only refers to the Championship leagues.
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| or hes one of those who cares about the whole rugby league and not just super league.
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