McNamara did not consider Brough, Hock and Hardaker were sent home. Chase and McIlorum have gone home too.
Whether any of those players would have won us the game we will never know.

One thing that's firmly my opinion is that those England forwards today were the best I've ever seen, and I remember the 1962 GB team tha won the World Cup. They were very good, that outfit today were so good it was hard to believe it was an England pack.
We need to build on that, in the main it's a young squad with probably only Sinfield, Westwood and O'Loughlin too old for the next WC.
We now need a new breed of half back, Widdop will stay and two more are needed for further England Intls.

McNamara is the problem, His squad selection this last three years has been awful, England's performances have been very poor at time in the Exiles games.
Today was brilliant but once again we just fell short.
I don't know who, if anyone, we could say for certain had they been in the squad would have won us that game over those that were out there.

Thats not really fair, I remember seeing a young Danny Brough only a year out of playing in NL2, in the Challenge Cup final and playing very well. I don't think Brough suffers from confidence issues or is likely to be daunted on the big occasion.

I think Brough is like where Briers was a few years back - a very talented player, that was inconsistent in the past but is shaking that out of his game.

Danny Brough is 30, he's played in one CC final and guess who won the MOM on that day



Danny Brough has never played on the big stage where he has been the main playmaker and is unlikely to. What makes people think he would suddenly be able to step up when he never has when it's really counted.

YOU WROTE

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Therefore it would seem reasonable to think that you thought a WC semi final is the biggest stage. I correctly pointed out that a WC final is a bigger stage than a WC semi final.
Ergo Brough and Sinfiels will have exactly the same amount of success on the biggest stage ie ZERO.

You are now talking about the SL do you think that is the biggest stage, bigger than the WC.

Yet if he played for Leeds he would probably have won loads of trophies and you would have been lauding him as the best thing since sliced bread !

Brough has never performed on any stage, small or big.

I give up, you're just an idiot.

The fact that no one agrees with you should be a sign.

If you can disprove my propositions or statements it is up to you to do it.

If The WC had a main sponsor and you tell me who it is then i am wrong.

If The BBC had the best games as opposed to those on Premier sports then i am wrong.

I am happy for the court of RL opinion to decide if England vs Ireland, France or Fiji were better than

Scotland vs Tonga or Italy or USA vs Cook islands or Tonga vs Cook islands Nz Vs Samoa etc .

I think you are mixing up your threads it was the One wher i was arguing with the Leeds fans rather than Bradford fans which i locked which i said at the time was a mistake as i was bored with it and it was going nowhere ( it was then reopened).

If you want to sprove my views on McBanana have been inconsistent then YOU look for the evidence.

You are a right lazy get. I produce facts and give my view now you do some work and disprove it if you can. ( hint you can go through all my posts and you want be able too ).

You deal in a lot of ifs and buts which is pointless.

The fact is Brough is 30, he's played in 1 CC final where Sinfield won MOM and has never played in a 'big' game since, what makes you think he would suddenly be able to turn it on in a big game when he never has before?

You show me one occasion when Sinfield has played in teams as poor as Hull, Wakefield and Huddersfield and made them into all conquering teams.

Your accusation of ifs and buts goes both ways.

But again your point is irrelevant as i keep saying. Not choosing Brough was just one of many errors made by McNamara but you keep ignoring all the others. Why do Leeds fans just want to turn this into Brough vs Sinfield.

What about Chase vs Widdop.

T Burgess vs anyone of 10 other props who could / have should have been picked.
etc etc etc

Brough wouldn't have won anything with leeds.

BRB 5 minutes to go in a close grand final 2 points in front, I know i'll do a chip kick to the wing in midfield. It looks pretty and creative.

Brough hasn't made anyone into an all conquering team. The only major trophy he won was at hull and stephen kearney and richard swain were much bigger players in that team.

Look I don't have to make anything up for Sinfield his records speak for themselves.

Brough has never taken any team to anything, well yes he's captained a team to a LLS but then bottled it when it actually counted.

Sinfield - 6 SL winners rings
- 1 lance todd
- 1 golden boot
- 2 harry sunderland awards

Brough - 1 CC winners medal and a man of steel.

Durham giant - Brough would have done better in big games for england!

Paul Anderson should be england coach!

Huddersfield were an all conquering team last year!

Durham...please.

LOL

Sinfields record at Leeds is impressive his record at International level not so.

I understand you want to suck up to Sinfield as you are a leeds fan BUT then again this is not about Brough and Sinfield and you keep ignoring the wider issues.

I will raise some of them again



No doubt you will come back with another Sinfield is great comment BUT just because he is your fantasy lover it really is getting a bit tedious now.

Not choosing Brough wasn't an error IMO

He chose Widdop for the most important game, maybe that was his plan all along, the fact is you know nothing about what went on in the England camp and what lead to selections.

Then please inform me with your infinite wisdom or inside knowledge about how today was McNamras master plan and that this narrow defeat was as a result of His managerial brilliance.

It is a real pity he lost about 15% of his squad to disciplinary issues and two others who he recognised were so dire he did not wish to pick them and was then left with picking a player as sub he did not even dare put on!

Where did I say I had infinite wisdom? Where did I say I had inside knowledge? It is you that's claiming things as fact when in reality you know absolutely nothing.

You ought to go back to school

You wrote
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You know as much as i do. I have asked questions you keep dodging
who chose Ablett as the sub and did not play him ?
I believe it was Steve McNamara. if i am wrong tell me, if you think it was good idea then tell me,



Who kept choosing Chase instead of Widdop ?

I think it was Steve McNamara If i am wrong tell me, if you think it was a good idea tell me.

Who chose Mossop and T Burgess for the squad ?

I think it was Steve McNamara, If i am wrong tell me. If you think it was a good idea tell me

I am claiming that the above decisions were Steve McNamars even if you disagree just help me out give me a suggestion on who else made those decisions.

Without a possible / realistic alternative i think that statistically it was Steve McNamara's decison. That IMHO is enough to make it a fact.

Please enlighten me o knowledgeable Leeds fan. Yoiu have seen so much success, you must know more than me just a humble basement dweller after following Huddersfield.

Help me to understand why the coach did not make those decisions.

I said maybe, thus implying I (nor you ) knows what the coach was thinking.

You obviously think SM is a poor coach, all I know is I saw an England side that have the best performance for a long time and yet keyboard coaches like you think you know best, let's face it you are actually glad England lost today so you can post your drivel.

No it isn't. It's up to the person making the assertion to back it up, you really are making yourself look ridiculous.


Please actually answer the question asked. You brought up the no main sponsor as an issue, you have failed to say why it is an issue. Please say so.


Please actually answer the question asked. You brought up viewing figures as an issue. Yet you don't know what they actually are, or again why they are an issue.



I'm not mixing threads up. You were criticising Bradford for their new sponsor being, amongst other things, a payday lender. Whilst, hypocritically not criticising your own club for having gambling establishments as sponsors. You were being embarrassed and so locked the thread. You can't wriggle out of that one.


No. You provide the evidence, you made the assertion, that's how it works. It should be simple for you to provide a quote or 2 where you make the exact same points when McNamara was appointed as you did just now. Otherwise you'll be thought either an exaggerating fool or a liar. That's what happens when you don't back up your points with any evidence.


I thought you didn't go in for petty insults? Oh no of course you do.
You haven't given any facts except that there is no main sponsor for the World Cup. And have failed to say why that is an issue and why it makes the World Cup a disaster.

Will you actually provide any evidence for the World Cup being a disaster? Because there's plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Or will you, more likely, wriggle and swerve and not answer questions and make up more unsubstantiated rubbish?
Why not get bored and lock the thread? You know you want to.

Im not sure DG is intelligent enough to realise its the person making the claim that has to supply the evidence to back it up.

I promised myself I wouldn't come on here tonight because I just knew the levels of idiocy that would be all over it. I failed, I logged in...but Christ, I didn't realise just how bad it would be. We lost a game against the current world champions by the narrowest of narrow margins, yet its a disaster, proof of a failed coach etc etc...Goodness me, some people need to take a look at themselves. If 1 or 2 of those "nearly" moments had turned into try's, we would have been planning for a final.....but no, the doom mongers are right. Sound the bell, rugby league in this country is dead.

I'm sorry, but all arguments against Mcbannana for today are irrelevant - that team out there today should have won. New Zealand were there for the taking. The players blew it, not the coach. We had them on the rack first half and our ill discipline cost us big time as did our lack of disrespect for the ball. Words can't describe how gutted i feel at the moment...

I'd like to personally thank Durham Giant for causing me to log in to these boards for the first time in 7 months...even though it's posts like his that have kept me away for so long.

Perhaps when considering the 'disaster' this intellectual giant claims the 2013 RLWC has been, we could look back at the last one held here in 2000. Here's some of the attendances:

All games:
2000 RLWC - average crowd = 8514
2013 RLWC - average crowd = 16394 (OT sell-out for Final factored in)

Semi finals
2000 - at the World famous Reebok and Galpharm stadiums - total 24000
2013 - at the almost unheard of and certainly not too prestigious Wembley Stadium - 65000

Final
2000 - Old Trafford - 44000
2013 - Old Trafford - 75000 sell-out

So just about double the attendance then...what a calamity!

Then of course there's the disaster of England's narrow loss to New Zealand.
2000 - semi final lost to NZ by 43 points
2013 - semi final lost to NZ by 2 points

Clearly this year's semi was a total catastrophe!

I'm not even getting into the Brough/Sinfield arguments. One or two years of consistency does not a legend make. A decade of leadership of the most successful team of the Superleague era does!

There's only one disaster here...and that is that some people don't even know when they're trolling.