Are you trying to tell me Salford fans made up around a quarter of the crowd yesterday?

You must be joking right. A few hundred yes, 600 not so sure.

Looked at least 1/3 on TV.

Is that TV where the camera is the side the vast majority of Crusaders fans sit?

I haven't commented on this thread on redpassion yet but here is their independent view on how many Salford brought. www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/crus ... day-7.html

I haven't commented on this thread on redpassion yet but here is their independent view on how many Salford brought. www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/crus ... day-7.html

Dunno, just saw a sea of red and assumed it was the Salford end.

Oh yeah. The attendance at the Salford Game was so dire up north because the chester races were on at the same time. Now the chester races get around 25,000-30,000 people every year, and wrexham is not the biggest village in the world. Would of knocked off a minimum of 1000 fans, maybe even 1500-2000. Might go some way to describing why the fans were so low.

so from 2400 to 3400, and possibly could of been closer to 4000 without the races going on.

Was just about to put this on here Spongolium.

That amount of people attending a sporting event so close to the game was bound to have an effect.

Well done in that case you used your first posts to knock Crusaders (do keep up as the vast majority of Widnes fans have moved on), by the way have a look at the Gillette under 18 champions for last year (and who made the playoffs for this year but sadly pulled out) and the National Conference for the year before if you want to see how our youth and reserves did.

Yes the crowds are low and yes the club needs to put it's money where it's mouth is but come on it's not as though Widnes didn't encounter it's problems chasing the dream is it?

And yet you've never posted on our forum,

try looking under the username brossie then come back. i stayed away for a long time and never posted as the air of negativity, sack the coach, drop ford became a bit tedious.

according to our membership database





Hilarious, given this thread.

the thread wasnt about how supporters discuss their own team in a club forum. the thread was an honest opinion of where i believe the welsh experiment is heading and where it will end up. at no point did i say i wanted them to fail because i dont, and at no point did i say widnes should take their place. my point was that the holy grail of expansion isnt the be all and end all, especially when the locals cant be bothered backing it. it is not a crusade against the crusaders, far from it.

Shall we have a look at the average crowds, as a percentage of the Town/City they are in? They may surprise.

1. Wigan, Average Crowd 2010 16,402, 20.12%
2. Castleford, Average Crowd 2010 6,752, 16.45%
3. St Helens, Average Crowd 2010 11,068, 11.23%
4. Wakefield, Average Crowd 2010 5,805, 8.76%
5. Crusaders, Average Crowd 2010 4,227, 7.21%*
6. Catalans, Average Crowd 2010 6,752, 6.49%*
7. Huddersfield, Average Crowd 2010 7,200, 5.62%
8. Warrington, Average Crowd 2010 10,714, 5.41%
9. Hull, Average Crowd 2010 13,561, 5.01%
10. Hull KR, Average Crowd 2010 8,106, 3.54%
11. Bradford, Average Crowd 2010 8,311, 3.21%
12. Harlequins, Average Crowd 2010 3,589 2.12%*
13. Leeds, Average Crowd 2010 15,912 1.92%
14. Salford, Average Crowd 2010 4,380 1.89%

*Crusaders taken as Wrexham
*Catalans taken as Perpignan
*Harlequins taken as Richmond, London.

And your point is ?

That Crusaders have a higher percentage of the town's population watching them than all but four of the Super League clubs maybe?

Probably the same guy as last time this happened given that he was banned. This is two boards it's happened on too. Kind of sad people create aliases just to discredit us. Made it clear early on who he "supported"? Check. Single issue, anti expansion, anti-club motive? Check. Never posted on the Widnes site on any issue? Check. Fake? Definitely check.

or that you shouldn't put clubs in places with small populations?

This town/city population thing really is a load of round things though isn't it. It gets trotted out time and again in the belief that it somehow proves something. Are you trying to tell me that only people who live in Wigan can support Wigan? What about me - I live in Manchester and travel to pretty much all Wigan games, home and away. Maybe I should start following wendyball instead?

It also fails to take into account other conflicts of attention. In Wigan, we have a premiership football team in the same town, plus many others within a few miles (2 in Manchester, 2 in Liverpool, plus a handful of others within 20 miles or so). To say nothing of other RL teams like Leigh, Saints, Warrington etc on the doorstep.

When you look at fanbase, you look at catchment area, not town. You look at population density within a certain radius from the club, say 20 miles, as your target audience. How about you post those figures instead? What, too hard to do? Thought so.

Not done exact measurements, but after a quick look on google maps, within "about" 20 miles of Wrexham you have Chester, Mold, Ellesmere Port, Nantwich, Crewe, Shrewsbury. Quite a decent catchment area. That's to say nothing of the whole of Wirral and Merseyside and the Potteries not too far off as well.

Leeds look in serious trouble

Gary Hetherington, The RFL and Simon Cowell are having a crisis meeting as I type

am i real. check. have i posted trust in widnes. check have i checked im not barred from any boards- check
have i checked if i am an alias-check. the simple reason i have no access to the widnes messageboard is that i committed the heinous crime of changing my email to a web mail address which is not accepted so if that make me an alias then so be it.

my opinion, yes thats all it was, check, that the welsh franchise is failing has naff all to do with who i support.
i support widnes but also rugby-check-and being told i am an alias and sad for voicing that isnt great on your part.

try the username brossie thread entitled most at threat posted on 24 july at 21:25, page 6 on the messageboard. then try thread entitled dream posted on 21 july at 21:07 on page 7

Have i posted before- CHECK

Fascinating

We still have no record of ever having a member with the username brossie. What messageboard did you say these threads are posted on? this intrigues me now.



edit: oh right: some entirely different third party site that has no connection to RLFans.

Pretty pointless really as that only includes the town boundaries and not surrounding settlements and metro areas where all teams will draw support from.

also pretty pointless as it is of no consequence to anyone, ever