Or just had an off day in a close series against a team determined not to get whitwashed.
Poor result today but kiwis very clinical and series won.

Dont let the facts get in the way of a good scapegoat agenda.

Maybe but Williams at least put a few decent ones in whereas Myler, everyone he's attempted was poor.

Hodgson is a joke and Myler is never an international halfback. I don’t get the praise Bateman has received this series either. Too many offloads to the floor and runs sideways.

Scapegoat agenda

, just an observation. What is this because he's a Leeds player you can't criticise him or something.

Think today showed that it was a bit premature last week to nail names to shirts for 12 months time.

Williams kicking was very poor, only saw Myler kick the ball once throughout the game tbh, with ball in hand I thought Williams played quite well, probably one of or better players.

hodgson puts the tackling in and at times has provided good ball but we looked so much better with Clarke at Hooker imo.

No not at all, Myler didn’t have a good game but Williams had the majority of the kicking and I don’t recall any good kicks by any England whether it was them two or Hodgson or Lonax.

I posted it after Myler had kicked long straight into an NZ player and then that awful cross-field kick.

Agree Williams running game was pretty good tonight though and asked some questions of the NZ defense.

Why the hell do Johnstone and Lynne get a medal? I've played as many minutes in the series as they have

He certainly tries but he’s just not good enough. His choice of pass is really bizarre, constantly sending players down blind alleys on the last. He’s very rarely impressed in an England shirt and only plays because he’s an NRL player.

Think I recall 3 attempts and two of those where when the game had long gone.

The score line does not lie. That is too many points to lose by and make excuses.

Middles and halves were really poor today. He should have played Connor in the halves rather than myler

it's hard to remember every kick but I thought Williams in the first half put a few decent ones in but don't get me wrong as I said earlier, the kicking game from England as a whole was poor especially compared to what Johnson was providing for NZ. Constantly trapping us in our own 10 kicking from deep and made that try from a quality kick and was just constantly putting the ball in the right places.

INOUTWho cares what the scoreline was? Who lifted the the silverware at the end? We don't need excuses for winning.

We’d have won with johnstone in the team!

Makinson was f’in terrible today

Are you joking? He was that bad he won England’s man of the match.

Williams was England's best player by a distance, I thought.

Poor effort can’t back up his performance from last week. Time to pick players on form like Tom Johnstone

Thought it was a nice gesture that O’Loughlin insisted Graham lift the shield given O’Loughlin’s lack of involvement.

He's definitely trying hard to joke, yes.

One thing I've learnt from this series is to never criticise an English referee again. What they were allowed to get away with at the PTB was criminal.