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| Quote ="Dico"Starbug I see your point but.. dont use them then?
Putting 3 or 4 top class juniors in these sides has improved the standard imo.
For example when I saw your side McCarthy didnt do much, which im suprised about but Mitchell, Emmit and Blythe contributed hugely. It is a little disruptive but if it isnt worth it simple: dont do it.'"
Have to agree with this completely... the Dual Registered system is not a compulsory system. There is no obligation to take these lads on this way. The Championship clubs do it because they see that there is a benefit to them.
It was fairly disruptive to our side last year in the end but god knows where we would have ended up given our injury situation last year if we hadn't embraced it.
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| Yep.. I'm guessing this expansive view is from a Halifax fan? Lets just go back to how it was before like 5/6 years ago when we have promotion and relegation, teams (still) going broke, floods of Aussies in SL to help avoid the dreaded drop, Leeds and St Helens winning SL evey year....the list goes on.
We are behind Australia and (in effect NZ because of their players being involved in the NRL) yet we have been for 40 years. How is getting rid of franchises and copying the Aussies/Yanks going to stop that? We're about 3 years into the franchise system...so how can you say it isn't working? More English players are getting their chance in teams than ever before.
It is the coaching and general nature of RL in England that is why we painfully get r*ped by the Aussies etc. Nothing to do with franchises.
I'm sure you'd be singing off a different hyme sheet if your team were in SL.
Such a blinkered view in general is what is wrong with rugby league and the RFL in this country.
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| Quote ="Hear Ye!"Yep.. I'm guessing this expansive view is from a Halifax fan? Lets just go back to how it was before like 5/6 years ago when we have promotion and relegation, teams (still) going broke, floods of Aussies in SL to help avoid the dreaded drop, Leeds and St Helens winning SL evey year....the list goes on.
We are behind Australia and (in effect NZ because of their players being involved in the NRL) yet we have been for 40 years. How is getting rid of franchises and copying the Aussies/Yanks going to stop that? We're about 3 years into the franchise system...so how can you say it isn't working? More English players are getting their chance in teams than ever before.
It is the coaching and general nature of RL in England that is why we painfully get r*ped by the Aussies etc. Nothing to do with franchises.
I'm sure you'd be singing off a different hyme sheet if your team were in SL.
Such a blinkered view in general is what is wrong with rugby league and the RFL in this country.'"
Is ' your ' team in SL ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Is ' your ' team in SL ?'"
Is ' your ' team not in SL ?
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| Quote ="Hear Ye!"I'm sure you'd be singing off a different hyme sheet if your team were in SL.
Such a blinkered view in general is what is wrong with rugby league and the RFL in this country.'"
So if you're in SL, your blinkered view is right basically? But all Championship fans' blinkered views are wrong? Interesting.
In theory, the only people who can have an opinion on the subject are Widnes fans because they're kinda in the Championship, but we all know they're kinda in the SL.
Off you go Widnes fans, the stage is yours
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| Quote ="tommy"So if you're in SL, your blinkered view is right basically? But all Championship fans' blinkered views are wrong? Interesting.
In theory, the only people who can have an opinion on the subject are Widnes fans because they're kinda in the Championship, but we all know they're kinda in the SL.
Off you go Widnes fans, the stage is yours
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SL isnt run for the benefit of the lower leagues.
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| Quote ="tommy"So if you're in SL, your blinkered view is right basically? But all Championship fans' blinkered views are wrong? Interesting.
In theory, the only people who can have an opinion on the subject are Widnes fans because they're kinda in the Championship, but we all know they're kinda in the SL.
Off you go Widnes fans, the stage is yours
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My main team isn't in SL, but I'm all for franchising.
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| Quote ="Richie"My main team isn't in SL, but I'm all for franchising.'"
So am I when executed well, I'm all for Welsh teams etc, it's just that was p*ss poor wording on that forumites part I think which basically read as that no championship fans' opinions count.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Is ' your ' team not in SL ?'"
Does he have his hand up your backside or something
" gottle of gear "
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"SL isnt run for the benefit of the lower leagues.'"
can't believe what i'm hearing ! RL is for US,the people - it benefits the SL clubs financially (hopefully ! but not always as we see every season) which then filters down to the rest of the lower leagues.It's symbiotic,ie it feeds on itself - it's impossible to have the SL and nowt else ! the Championship etc couldn't survive without the SL & vice versa
SL has been good for the game though failures have and always will occur usually due to mismanagement & over ambition of clubs in all the leagues
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| Quote ="sanjunien"can't believe what i'm hearing ! RL is for US,the people - it benefits the SL clubs financially (hopefully ! but not always as we see every season) which then filters down to the rest of the lower leagues.It's symbiotic,ie it feeds on itself - it's impossible to have the SL and nowt else ! the Championship etc couldn't survive without the SL & vice versa
SL has been good for the game though failures have and always will occur usually due to mismanagement & over ambition of clubs in all the leagues'"
NO no no no no NO , The Championships are THE most worthless part of RL , didn't you know that
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| Quote ="sanjunien"can't believe what i'm hearing ! RL is for US,the people - it benefits the SL clubs financially (hopefully ! but not always as we see every season) which then filters down to the rest of the lower leagues.It's symbiotic,ie it feeds on itself - it's impossible to have the SL and nowt else ! the Championship etc couldn't survive without the SL & vice versa
SL has been good for the game though failures have and always will occur usually due to mismanagement & over ambition of clubs in all the leagues'" Exactly, it isnt run for the benefit of the lower leagues but for the benefit of the game as whole.
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| Quote ="Starbug"NO no no no no NO , The Championships are THE most worthless part of RL , didn't you know that'"
sit down in a darkened room,lay off the wacky backy and/or booze and come back when you've re-landed on earth...
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| Quote ="Starbug"NO no no no no NO , The Championships are THE most worthless part of RL , didn't you know that'"
im not sure you can say anything is the most worthless, it is poor English, not something i would usually pick up but there is clearly a reason behind your use of it. You clearly wanted to state in the most pejorative way possible that the championships arent as important to the game as a whole as the amateur and fully professional game, to make it sound very extreme. Rather than just state that the championships dont provide the game with the players the amateur game does or the money and visibility SL does, because of course that sounds reasonable.
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| Quote ="sanjunien"sit down in a darkened room,lay off the wacky backy and/or booze and come back when you've re-landed on earth...'"
Not my opinion , Smokey's
Something he has pointed out several times
Us championship folk should be happy for the steam of the p155 from the SL bogs to warm us up
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"im not sure you can say anything is the most worthless, it is poor English, not something i would usually pick up but there is clearly a reason behind your use of it. You clearly wanted to state in the most pejorative way possible that the championships arent as important to the game as a whole as the amateur and fully professional game, to make it sound very extreme. Rather than just state that the championships dont provide the game with the players the amateur game does or the money and visibility SL does, because of course that sounds reasonable.'"
So in the ' Worthlessnes ' stakes we are the top
Sounds about the same to me
What other parts to the game are there ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"So in the ' Worthlessnes ' stakes we are the top
Sounds about the same to me '" No, because you cannot possibly have most of not having something. There is a reason why you wanted to shoe-horn the word worthless in there, to try and infer i thought the championships were 'worthless' which is a huge jump from not as important as the amateur game, and not as important as the fully pro game to the game as whole.
Its a little like if someone asked you which was least important, your brain, your heart or your leg. Clearly your leg, but it doesnt make your leg worthless now does it.
Quote What other parts to the game are there ?'" well there is amateur and fully pro
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"No, because you cannot possibly have most of not having something. There is a reason why you wanted to shoe-horn the word worthless in there, to try and infer i thought the championships were 'worthless' which is a huge jump from not as important as the amateur game, and not as important as the fully pro game to the game as whole.
Its a little like if someone asked you which was least important, your brain, your heart or your leg. Clearly your leg, but it doesnt make your leg worthless now does it.
well there is amateur and fully pro'"
So now you're having an argument over whether someone should use the term "most worthless" rather than "least valuable"???
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"No, because you cannot possibly have most of not having something. There is a reason why you wanted to shoe-horn the word worthless in there, to try and infer i thought the championships were 'worthless' which is a huge jump from not as important as the amateur game, and not as important as the fully pro game to the game as whole.
Its a little like if someone asked you which was least important, your brain, your heart or your leg. Clearly your leg, but it doesnt make your leg =#FF0000worthless now does it.
well there is amateur and fully pro'"
But your leg is worth less than your brain or heart , therefore more worthless
So the Championships are THE most worthless part of RL , you have stated as such many times
Least important = most worthless
Simples
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"No, because you cannot possibly have most of not having something. There is a reason why you wanted to shoe-horn the word worthless in there, to try and infer i thought the championships were 'worthless' which is a huge jump from not as important as the amateur game, and not as important as the fully pro game to the game as whole.
Its a little like if someone asked you which was least important, your brain, your heart or your leg. Clearly your leg, but it doesnt make your leg worthless now does it.
=#FF0000well there is amateur and fully pro'"
Yes and you have already explained their ' worth ' to the game , so what other parts to the game are there that are ' worth ' less than the Championships ?
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| Quote ="LeythIg"So now you're having an argument over whether someone should use the term "most worthless" rather than "least valuable"???'"
Quote ="Starbug"But your leg is worth less than your brain or heart , therefore more worthless
So the Championships are THE most worthless part of RL , you have stated as such many times
Least important = most worthless
Simples'"
Worthless and Worth Less mean two very different things.
Worth Less is analogous to least valuable, It tells you a relative value but not an absolute value.
Worthless means it possess no worth. It is an absolute, you cannot possible be the most worthless, you cannot possible possess the most of possessing nothing.
As i say, the only reason you used such poor wording as to describe something as the most worthless is to try infer i had described the championships as 'worthless' rather than 'not as important as the most important parts of our game', because one is a sensible point, the other very emotive and extreme.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Yes and you have already explained their ' worth ' to the game , so what other parts to the game are there that are ' worth ' less than the Championships ?'"
None, they are the three parts to the game in this context. And the Championships arent as important to the game as the other two.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Worthless and Worth Less mean two very different things.
Worth Less is analogous to least valuable, It tells you a relative value but not an absolute value.
Worthless means it possess no worth. It is an absolute, you cannot possible be the most worthless, you cannot possible possess the most of possessing nothing.
As i say, the only reason you used such poor wording as to describe something as the most worthless is to try infer i had described the championships as 'worthless' rather than 'not as important as the most important parts of our game', because one is a sensible point, the other very emotive and extreme.'"
So that'd be a yes then.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Yes and you have already explained their ' worth ' to the game , so what other parts to the game are there that are ' worth ' less than the Championships ?'"
it's not a question of one thing being worth more or less than anything else - EVERY part of the RL set-up is important in it's own right with every part dependant on each part
the game/business of RL is a 'whole' and every segment of the whole is joined to make it 'one' - god,i'm beginning to sound like Eric Cantona !
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| Quote ="sanjunien"it's not a question of one thing being worth more or less than anything else - EVERY part of the RL set-up is important in it's own right with every part dependant on each part
the game/business of RL is a 'whole' and every segment of the whole is joined to make it 'one' - god,i'm beginning to sound like Eric Cantona !'"
Dont tell me , tell that Smokey fella , the one with the other fella's hand up his backside , he's the one who thinks the Championships are worthless
Ask him what the Championships bring to the sport ?
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