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| Quote ="Starbug"Call me all you want
But it is still a simple question
All this assumes that the revenue from the site will provide enough income to pay for the running of the stadium
Basically it is either a private venture , ie there will be somebody who will either make profit , or lose money
Or run by a council co , and it will be them that stands any shortfall
In any venture like this , there HAS to be somebody that will ultimatley sign the cheque , who will that be ?'"
In your simple world, where sitting at home all day hitting refresh on RLFans and boring everyone to death with split-quote essays on issues you know nothing about is considered to be a meaningful achievement, there may only be two legal entitities that can manage this proposed community facility. In the real world however, we don't always deal in absolutes.
Once again, for the hard of thinking, WMDC will have no involvement in owning, operating or funding this facility, beyond the initial land parcel that was made available as loan security.
How hard can it be to understand?
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| Quote ="bren2k"In your simple world, where sitting at home all day hitting refresh on RLFans and boring everyone to death with split-quote essays on issues you know nothing about is considered to be a meaningful achievement, there may only be two legal entitities that can manage this proposed community facility. In the real world however, we don't always deal in absolutes.
Once again, for the hard of thinking, =#FF0000WMDC will have no involvement in owning, operating or funding this facility, beyond the initial land parcel that was made available as loan security.How hard can it be to understand?'"
So who does ? , and how do they fund any shortfall ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"So who does ? , and how do they fund any shortfall ?'"
The Wakefield and District Community Trust will own and operate it, and will receive rent from the anchor tenants Wakefield Trinity and any other organisations who wish to use the facility.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"The Wakefield and District Community Trust will own and operate it, and will receive rent from the anchor tenants Wakefield Trinity and any other organisations who wish to use the facility.'"
So the community trust has an income , or a largish sum of money available to it ?
I'm not having a ' pop ' here , just trying to get to the bottom of something which I dont think many people including your fans understand
The Salford stadium is similar , as far as I am aware , Peel are building it , but the council will run it , so ultimatley the council will stand any shortfall , just as they do at the LSV,Stobart,KC,Galpharm and the Keepmoat
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| Quote ="Starbug"So the community trust has an income , or a largish sum of money available to it ?
I'm not having a ' pop ' here , just trying to get to the bottom of something which I dont think many people including your fans understand
The Salford stadium is similar , as far as I am aware , Peel are building it , but the council will run it , so ultimatley the council will stand any shortfall , just as they do at the LSV,Stobart,KC,Galpharm and the Keepmoat'"
The trust will get money from whoever uses the stadium. Also, as a trust, they may be able to access funds from grants, although this I am unsure of.
Ultimately WMDC will not operate it, and will not cover any shortfall.
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£750,000? That's a lot of fish!
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£750,000? That's a lot of fish!
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"The trust will get money from whoever uses the stadium. Also, as a trust, they may be able to access funds from grants, although this I am unsure of.
Ultimately WMDC will not operate it, and will not cover any shortfall.'"
Fair enough , I'll leave it alone , its just strange for somebody to spend 20 odd million on something and it not to have somebody essentially own and guarantee it , thats all
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| Quote ="deeHell"Now that the Franchise have been awarded I wonder what things have been hidden in the closet and when can we expect them to become public?'"
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| The Wakefield Stadium will be underpinned by a number of other revenue generating facilities such as a hotel and the largest conference facility in West Yorkshire.
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| Quote ="The Clan"The Wakefield Stadium will be underpinned by a number of other revenue generating facilities such as a hotel and the largest conference facility in West Yorkshire.'"
As long as they are built , bought and used , the LSV was meant to have retail , cinema , bars and resturants , which never happened
Is the trust going to be charging rental on the Hotel and Conference facilities ?
Or do you mean the building of the stadium , not the running costs , that we are discussing ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Fair enough , I'll leave it alone'"
Quote ="Starbug"As long as they are built , bought and used , the LSV was meant to have retail , cinema , bars and resturants , which never happened
Is the trust going to be charging rental on the Hotel and Conference facilities ?
Or do you mean the building of the stadium , not the running costs , that we are discussing ?'"
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| Quote ="bren2k"icon_frustrated.gif'"
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| Quote ="Starbug"As long as they are built , bought and used , the LSV was meant to have retail , cinema , bars and resturants , which never happened
Is the trust going to be charging rental on the Hotel and Conference facilities ?
Or do you mean the building of the stadium , not the running costs , that we are discussing ?'"
FFS!
Running costs
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Project now gone back out to tender so the new stand is looking fairly safe.
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Project now gone back out to tender so the new stand is looking fairly safe.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Fair enough , I'll leave it alone , its just strange for somebody to spend 20 odd million on something and it not to have somebody essentially own and guarantee it , thats all'"
Not when that "someone" is taking all the profit from the all of the other parts of the Newmarket development. Building the stadium with relatively minimal amounts being contributed by the Community Trust means that Yorkcourt don't have a Section 106 payment to make instead (& yes for a development this large it could be an eight figure sum).
HTH
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| Quote ="tb"<yawn>'"
Why the yawn? I'm trying to demonstrate how the franchise system can easily be played by clubs (especially the SL ones) to there advantage. The intention of starting this thread was to highlight these skeletons that have probably been kept quiet until after franchise day. Surely something worthy of debate don't you think?
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| Quote ="deeHell"Why the yawn? I'm trying to demonstrate how the franchise system can easily be played by clubs (especially the SL ones) to there advantage. The intention of starting this thread was to highlight these skeletons that have probably been kept quiet until after franchise day. Surely something worthy of debate don't you think?
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*their
Conspiracy theories are never worthy of debate, only ridicule.
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| Quote ="Wheels"*their
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I wonder why you would say that...
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| Quote ="Wheels"*their
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I don't see the connection between pointing out a flaw in a system and a conspiracy theory!
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| Quote ="deeHell"I don't see the connection between pointing out a flaw in a system and a conspiracy theory!'"
You suggested that the clubs had witheld significant negative details from the RFL in their licence bid. That is a conspiracy theory since you have no evidence to back it up. Especially since the bids, clubs accounts and other aspects are externally audited, hence the Crusaders withdrawal.
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| Quote ="Him"You suggested that the clubs had witheld significant negative details from the RFL in their licence bid. That is a conspiracy theory since you have no evidence to back it up. Especially since the bids, clubs accounts and other aspects are externally audited, hence the Crusaders withdrawal.'"
best laugh for a long while Richard.
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best laugh for a long while Richard.'"
So do you have evidence of clubs withholding significant negative details from the licence process? Or do you dispute that several aspects of the bids are externally audited?
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| Such fantastic Audits that CC move to N.Wales after a year, and all the promised grounds never happened in the 3 years after the last one.
Richard, move on..... defending the indefensible is like virgin hunting in Platt Waz.
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| Quote ="Barnacle Bill"I wonder why you would say that...
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What does that mean?
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| Quote ="maurice"Such fantastic Audits that CC move to N.Wales after a year, and all the promised grounds never happened in the 3 years after the last one.
Richard, move on..... defending the indefensible is like virgin hunting in Platt Waz.'"
Who said a new ground was promised in this or the previous licence bid by any club? Link?
As for Crusaders move north, was that decision taken before or after the licence bid in 2008? You have evidence there were plans to move to Wrexham before the original licence bid was put in do you?
But no, just go on spouting bullsh[ii[/it if it makes you happy.
By the way, calling me "Richard" wasn't even funny the first time but just really looks very sad the second time around.
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