Quote ="puroresu_boy"From what Toronto are saying the governing bodies haven't done much about it for months and seems like Toronto have had enough so decided to get it out in the public domain. The fact Toronto can't deal with the home office directly must be extremely frustrating as I know I wouldn't want the RFL or SL to handle the issue. Those guys couldn't run a bath.'" https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/wolfpa ... 542qn.html Maybe you can now see what's going on and why a Billionaire doesn't particularly want to pay his bills at Wolfpack anymore. It is entirely up to clubs to sort their own issues out so don't go blaming SL or the RFL for this, Argyle and Perez tried this crazy dream and good for them for trying but at no stage did they ever really want all the hard work of developing the Canadian RL game. Once they had bought their way to SL they found they were not wanted. Argyle is a good fit for Melbourne and good luck to him...... As for Perez and Wilby they are left high and dry. https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/wolfpa ... 542qn.html

Quote ="puroresu_boy"From what Toronto are saying the governing bodies haven't done much about it for months and seems like Toronto have had enough so decided to get it out in the public domain. The fact Toronto can't deal with the home office directly must be extremely frustrating as I know I wouldn't want the RFL or SL to handle the issue. Those guys couldn't run a bath.'" https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/wolfpa ... 542qn.html Maybe you can now see what's going on and why a Billionaire doesn't particularly want to pay his bills at Wolfpack anymore. It is entirely up to clubs to sort their own issues out so don't go blaming SL or the RFL for this, Argyle and Perez tried this crazy dream and good for them for trying but at no stage did they ever really want all the hard work of developing the Canadian RL game. Once they had bought their way to SL they found they were not wanted. Argyle is a good fit for Melbourne and good luck to him...... As for Perez and Wilby they are left high and dry. https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/wolfpa ... 542qn.html

I accept it isn’t an argument that cannot be extrapolated very far, certainly in terms of replacement.




Bradford could emerge from this difficult era and return to SL one day - that is perfectly possible. Especially if there is heavy and sustained investment. I just think that any help they get from the RFL shouldn’t extend beyond that available to all member clubs. Toronto will succeed or fail. If they fail then somebody else will get a chance - the RFL don’t need to be artificially bolstering one club just to have a viable alternative to Toronto. And it wouldn’t be politically viable or affordable anyway.

Quote ="Donnyman"https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/wolfpack-billionaire-in-mix-for-share-as-storm-change-ownership-model-20200220-p542qn.html Maybe you can now see what's going on and why a Billionaire doesn't particularly want to pay his bills at Wolfpack anymore. It is entirely up to clubs to sort their own issues out so don't go blaming SL or the RFL for this, Argyle and Perez tried this crazy dream and good for them for trying but at no stage did they ever really want all the hard work of developing the Canadian RL game. Once they had bought their way to SL they found they were not wanted. Argyle is a good fit for Melbourne and good luck to him...... As for Perez and Wilby they are left high and dry. https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/wolfpa ... 542qn.html'" no one seems to be questioning your post on your links are they now realising the inevitable will happen and Argyle is now trying to find an exit away from SL. Why would you loan out Liam Kay that has no visa problem

Quote ="Donnyman"https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/wolfpack-billionaire-in-mix-for-share-as-storm-change-ownership-model-20200220-p542qn.html Maybe you can now see what's going on and why a Billionaire doesn't particularly want to pay his bills at Wolfpack anymore. It is entirely up to clubs to sort their own issues out so don't go blaming SL or the RFL for this, Argyle and Perez tried this crazy dream and good for them for trying but at no stage did they ever really want all the hard work of developing the Canadian RL game. Once they had bought their way to SL they found they were not wanted. Argyle is a good fit for Melbourne and good luck to him...... As for Perez and Wilby they are left high and dry. https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/wolfpa ... 542qn.html'" no one seems to be questioning your post on your links are they now realising the inevitable will happen and Argyle is now trying to find an exit away from SL. Why would you loan out Liam Kay that has no visa problem

Most people have realized there is little point responding at the moment because he never replies back to anything that he's pulled up on.

Once he's dissected your post and removed the parts that aren't convenient to his rhetoric and does not have an answer for, he'll then throw in a few he says, she says plus a few pointless emojis and a bit of schoolboy sarcasm, then he's good to go.

Would it really ?
The Bulls, once a very good SL side, are a shadow of the club from the glory years.
Right now, they are a mid table Championship club, playing at Dewsbury. There are 4 or 5 clubs ahead of them in the pecking order, one of which is Toulouse.
Toronto seem absolutely nailed on for the wooden spoon but, unless someone can quickly revive The Championship, it's difficult to see how ANY club could legitimately be promoted and not Bradford - not yet.
Everyone craves the return of the Bulls but, unless they are going to blow a fortune and go pop, again. It's more likely that we would see them struggling to survive relegation, than it would be to see the glory days return.
Toulouse, Leigh or Fev are the only unbeaten club from the early games.

As Donny suggested, they could have a round robin comp - winner gets promoted.

However, it's far more likely that TWP will be exempt from relegation and that the battle for promotion (and relegation) starts again next season.

Ey, get used to it. We've had to listen to the blinkered Little Englanders on 'Future of the Game' thread for months. Same old racist rubbish with little understanding of what is really happening in the game globally.

The questions that came my way thick and fast generally had no substance, and were the usual baiting. There's a better discussion on TRL albeit spoiled by angry TWP and so called "expansionist" fans. Right from the start forgetting anything English Superleague clubs or fans have said and done.......

Mr Perez sat there on TV and told Dave Woods he would expand the game to Canada by finding quality RL players by grid iron conversions "pretty quickly" and get a large paying North American TV deal

That was the quid pro quo return for the English game to allow North American clubs in. Neither of these things came along instead an empty shell of a club used as a plaything for a Billionaire appeared that merely ran up massive bills many not paid, whilst Perez scuttled about providing more blasts of hot air about New York and Ottawa and other phoney clubs who were apparently ringing him.

There is an element of desperation in our game for it to "expand" hence some of us swallow this rubbish, but we are in the grip of Rugby Union in the Northern Hemisphere which is a heavily stronger and direct competitor. Where League has the edge it will expand like we see over in Australasia, where it doesn't survival is the key word. When your surrounded by the Enemy it is important to have what you hold, and to hang onto it in the face of adversity.

Not plan to throw out real clubs for phoney ones.

Adding that Rimmer sees the opportunity of increasing his already massively over paid wad it's no wonder he'll not decline clubs from over America

That only counts if the four or five clubs ahead of them in a league table even qualify for Superleague, in terms of their finances and other criteria. Leigh may be ahead of them due to Mr. Beaumont (but I doubt this). Featherstone are not ahead of them as their owner cannot afford SL and has a club that is generally Leeds "A" team.

You have no idea what deal Bradford council may be doing over Odsal to get the Bulls back there, you have no idea the extent to which Mark Sawyer may be involved and organising a board of directors with Nigel Wood that may have the finances to compete at the top again. Most of all you are oblivious to how far the SL bosses may want to go to ensure Bulls return or maybe Newcastle provide some real expansion or both. Certainly SL bosses asked Bulls and Newcastle to run reserves - they didn't ask Fev or leigh did they?

Don't you remember a time when the league table was a total irrelevance? It was not that long ago.

If this was some years ago Rimmer would be negotiating the new SKY deal, but it's today and Lenegan is doing those negotiations. They have been reported as being well advanced.

When the Government money was being offered to the RFL Superlegue walked back into Red Hall, once they pocketed it all they walked straight back out. Rimmer is well paid and is doing what he's told for it

Sorry bud.

It's irrelevant what deal Bradford Council may be prepared to offer The Bulls
Right now, they are a long way from being the "SL elect" and as for Newcastle, again, not yet.

Are you seriously suggesting that ANY club should be promoted by committee, with on field performance completely disregarded ??

Let them (any club) earn promotion properly, on the field of play and by the agreed system.
I cannot comprehend how ANY club could just get a free pass into the top flight - it's a ridiculous concept and assuming anyone has enough money left, there would be lawsuits aplenty if we go your route.

You do remember that this is the same Bradford Bulls that walked away from their previous agreement leaving the rest of the sport to pick up the tab and now you want some (very) special treatment for them.

You complain when I pick up on some of your posts and have a go but, with stuff like this, it's hard not to respond.

What is really happening in the game globally?.

Give your head a shake ! People talking about practicalities is in ZERO way even skirting with any race innuendo. You sir are taking the proverbial by using a perfectly legitimate argument/statement/fact/suggestion & twisting it to promote your own looney lefty agenda !!!

Think some people need to get a dictionary cause clearly they don’t know what Racism means.

Anyway, I’m sure there will be a just and logical solution to it all.

Racist? Absolute tosh but predictably convenient against any view differing to yours. Corbynesque.

Canadians showing they can mismanage a franchise as well as any Welsh or English could?

What agreement was that?

The "commercial" rent that they were paying at Odsal and then couldn't afford / wouldn't pay, hence the move in with Dewsbury ?

It's interesting that some posters now expect the council who themselves will be cash strapped, to fund a return to Bradford and Odsal / new ground.
Although the local council may wish to see Braford playing back home, it's hard to thing that they would be throwing money at the project. Although they would very likely try and help on planning stuff etc, were it to be a new ground in the city.

What? How naive. A comet about Little Englanders is 'Corbynseque'? Not quite sure where you did your politics degree? This is a rugby league forum, we are not discussing the biography of a former leader of a political party. You really are showing your ignorance of that what you wish to discuss on RLFANS.com.

Again this is about rugby league and how we build it back up if this chaos ever end. NOT the rights or wrongs of Brexit.

Fully agree it is an RL forum you banded about the racism card basically because you didn't agree with manys opinion.
The merits or lack of regarding TWP has been debated and despite reading many eloquent posts in favour i stand by my opinion it was a ludicrous idea from the start. Hopefully the reports of impending misdemeanors herald their implosion.
As an aside i never mentioned Brexit and haven't on an RL board so strange you do so? Just work on the principle posters who don't conform to your way of thinking are not automatically racist and it will avoid meltdowns in future. Fond Regards..

Following on from Twitter post hinting at strife in TWP camp Davidson puts meat on the bone and it sounds dire. For all it seemed inevitable the business model was unsustainable and the fact based on another continent made the whole premise impractical it's not good to hear the players are suffering so. Who's to blame? Who did the due diligence for RFL? What will their 17 look like come Aug 2nd? For all i thought this would happen it seems it's going to get very messy. Donnyman was right.

Toronto will be here next season, even stronger.

Sorry to burst all the flat cappers bubble and Leigh’s fans hopes of promotion but it’s true.

Their season ticket waiting list is even longer than last season and they have 2 unbelievable signings about to be announced for next season.

All is good in Toronto. Sorry.

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This is all lies you ask Steph curry he knows how good Toronto are LOL